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Atheism cheapens everything it touches-look at the results of communism, the most powerful form of atheism on earth. Atheism is cheap on people, because it snobbishly says nine out of ten people through history have been wrong about God and have had a lie at the core of their hearts.

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old comment by michael3ov

I don't even know where to begin with this nonsense.
Communism is in no way a form of atheism. I am sorry but that is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. Communism is an economic theory and has nothing to do with belief. Atheism does not say that "nine out of ten people through history have been wrong about God... blah blah blah." Atheism is a default position concerning the belief in a deity. An atheist simply does not hold a belief in a god or gods. You are also committing an appeal to populace fallacy. Even if every single person believes something that does not make the proposition, whatever it is, true. Now please go read a book besides the bible and stop 'researching' topics on the blogs of theists.

old comment by TB Tabby

Atheism cheapens everything it touches-look at the results of communism, the most powerful form of atheism on earth.

Communism =/= atheism. Early Christian societies tended to sell all their belongings and distribute the wealth equally. And the largely-secular Sweden has one of the highest standards of living in the world. Meanwhile, American Christians are wiping their asses with the Constitution, allowing children to die of easily treatable diseases, executing people for crimes they didn't commit, I could go on.

Atheism is cheap on people, because it snobbishly says nine out of ten people through history have been wrong about God and have had a lie at the core of their hearts.

If 9 out of 10 people believed 2 + 2 = 5, they would be wrong. No majority can elect facts. They exist independently of whether you believe or not. And no amount og belief, however sincere, can make a falsehood true. If it did, all religions would be true, because they all have fervent believers.

old comment by Swede

Atheism is a lack of belief in gods.
Communism is an economic theory; to each according to his needs, from each according to his abilities. Didn't Jesus say something similar? There is more to Communism, but that's the core. In and of itself it has no relation to religion.

Atheism doesn't say anything, it's merely a lack of belief in gods.

I fail to see how atheism cheapens everything. Don't Christians snobbishly say that everyone but them have been wrong about God and have a lie at the core of their hearts?

There are many results of Communism, one being that everyone has equal living standards; no-one is starving to death and no-one is filthy rich. Now, after Communism has fallen in Russia, some people are starving and freezing to death and other people are rich enough to buy a small country or two.

old comment by Horsefeathers

"Atheism cheapens everything it touches-look at the results of communism, the most powerful form of atheism on earth."

Communism--with a large or small "c"--is not a form of atheism you half-wit.

However, if you'd like to see a good example of "small c" communism, just look in the New Testament and take a gander at how Jesus and the Apostles lived.

"Atheism is cheap on people, because it snobbishly says nine out of ten people through history have been wrong about God and have had a lie at the core of their hearts."

So, pointing out that we don't happen to share the unfortunate delusion that probably 98% of all other humans throughout history have shared means we're "cheap on people"? How, exactly?

old comment by Dr. Razark

KJV
Acts 2:
44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

Acts 4:
32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
...
34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

Communism. Straight out of your own book. I also seem to recall some guy talking about selling all possessions and giving to the poor if you wanted to follow him. Must have been a rather minor character if you don't remember that part. I think it was the same guy that said you should pay taxes.

There was also a fellow named Judas, specifically mentioned as being the one that held the group's money-bag.

old comment by farpadokly

1, While I wouldn't defend communism, you must realise that, especially in America, your view of it is through a distorting lens of a massive propaganda campaign to paint everything about it as evil. What it and its failure did do, which was very useful, is to point out the essential nature of both communism and capitalism. However, here's something true which you almost never hear: There were good things about the Soviet Union and the eastern bloc countries.
2, Part of the problem with it was exactly that it wasn't "the most powerful form of atheism". It retained the old hierarchical structure of the old Tsarist regime, and the old orthodox religion. Instead of an icon or a picture of the Tsar, a picture of Stalin. Instead of worshipping God, worshipping Stalin. Hence, it was essentially religious.
I think the most powerful form of atheism would be "anti-theism" which took into account the political structure of churches as institutions and tried to combat it.
3, A common mistake people make is to fail to conceptualise a proper timescale for the life of mankind. For most of the time that man has existed, he was a hunter-gatherer, probably with some sort of animistic nature religion. The start of agriculture, with its priestly and royal hierarchies, is comparatively recent, and the idea of monotheism even more recent. It wasn't a "lie at the core of their hearts", it was a thought put into their heads by a ruling elite, who wanted to control them and their resources.

old comment by farpadokly

Coincidentally, I was just reading about the Diggers in the English Civil War, who advocated a basically communist system, and I was struck how, it being the 17th century, all of it is justified by the Bible:
"The word of God hath witnessed unto us, that the Lord created the earth with all that is therein for whole Mankind, equall to one as to another, and for every one to live free upon to get an ample Livelihood therein, and therefore those who have by an unrighteous power made merchandize of the earth, giving all to some, and none to others, declares themselves tyranicall and usurping Lords over Gods heritage, and we affirm that they have no righteous power to sell or give away the earth, unlesse they could make the earth likewise, which none can do but God the eternall Spirit."
etc etc, there's a lot more in this vein.

old comment by Osiris

Well at least it's just 9 out of 10. That's still better then Christianity that says that 10 out of 10 people are horrible sinners who deserve to burn in hell forever. Also wouldn't Christianity cheapen everything? How much would you value this life if you knew another, better life, was coming after you died? Atheists don't believe in life after death, so wouldn't we hold everything more sacred and valuable then you do? That's probably why the United States was founded by enlightened thinkers most of who didn't accept Christianity, and it was one of the most progressive and secular countries in the world. Meanwhile anytime Christians get unchecked power it always results in a tyranny.

old comment by John

... it snobbishly says nine out of ten people through history have been wrong about God and have had a lie at the core of their hearts.

Of course they've been wrong. They've proved it themselves. One says you have to wear a beanie and eat chicken and cheesecake with different forks, another says you have to face Mecca and chant in Arabic five times a day, somebody else says you have to be dipped in water, though fistfights have occurred over whether this should be done as an infant or a teenager, and yet another says you have to eat a wafer chanted over by a priest.

If you went to four doctors and one said it was your back, another your kidneys, a third your eyeball and a fourth your heart, wouldn't you conclude that at least three, and probably all four had no friggin' idea what they were talking about and were just making stuff up?

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