Homosexuality is an illicit lust forbidden by God. He said to His people Israel, "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination" (Leviticus 18:22). "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them" (Leviticus 20:13).
In these passages homosexuality is condemned as a prime example of sin, a sexual perversion. The true Christian can neither alter God's viewpoint nor depart from it.
This has nothing to do with doctrine; it is in the Bible, and the Bible does not change. People have changed since the beginning of time, but God does not change. You may not pick and choose which parts of God's teaching you wish to obey.
The Roman Catholic Church needs to wash its dirty laundry, but it cannot change the teachings of the Bible.
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does this stupid woman not know the hisoty of the Wholly BuyBull?
The number of revisions, interpretations, hell even the first selection, cesoring, and exclusion of texts should frighten anyone from claiming its infallability!!
"This has nothing to do with doctrine; it is in the Bible, and the Bible does not change."
"You may not pick and choose which parts of God's teaching you wish to obey."
"You may not pick and choose which parts of God's teaching you wish to obey. "
Fine. Now, shut up, remove your shoes and go back to the kitchen. Your bible says you must unconditionnally obey your husband and must not interfere in public affairs.
"it is in the Bible, and the Bible does not change...God does not change"
The entire basis for the new testament is a fundamental change in the relationship between God and the Jews and the teachings of the old testament.
You may not pick and choose which parts of God's teaching you wish to obey.
OK, if you're going to claim that Levitical laws must be followed, then why don't you offer up sacrifice animals in a burnt offering to God as spelled out in Leviticus? Do you eat shellfish? It's also an abomination, yet Christians never protest seafood restaurants. Wear clothes made of a 60/40 cotton/poly blend? Also prohibited. And Susan, do you remain in submissive silence to your husband? If not then you're not following God's law. Ever work on the Sabbath? Then you should be put to death.
Oh right, I understand. All those other things aren't icky like homosexuality.
"Homosexuality is an illicit lust forbidden by God. He said to His people Israel, "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination" (Leviticus 18:22). "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them" (Leviticus 20:13). "
@Agahnim
One more indication that the REAL problem of the likes of the author(s) of Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 was the notion of penile penetration performed on anyone who had a penis themselves!
Being the "catcher" was for WOMEN! A man taking that position was "lowering himself" to "the level of women."
No, no, no, Susan, you didn't catch it right, gay sex was only banned for straight people.
Okay, then start preaching about Geocentrism and telling sinful farmers to stop mixing fabrics, rotating their crops, and start sticking rods in front of goats while they fuck to get the desired characteristics. No more changing the word of God!
Um, the Babble says that slavery is OK, but humanity has nearly universally said that institution is evil.
I don't even like responding to the Leviticus people anymore, especially when they follow it up with saying that the Bible doesn't change, it's just too damn easy.
Seriously, nowhere in the Bible does it say IGNORE THE REST OF LEVITICUS EXCEPT THIS PART, and yet they do.
People have changed since the beginning of time,
Easily the most intelligent and honest statement in this otherwise generic pile of shit.
Actually, homosexuality is sent by God, according to St Paul.
But before you get to that, you need to address the far more pressing epidemic of people eating shellfish, shaving, and wearing mixed fabrics.
Those, and many other such verses were aimed mainly at the Greeko-Roman culture of "boy love", where rich, sleazy old men would sexually abuse young servants from lower social classes. The men and the boys were most often straight, and the point of it was not merely sexual gratification, but primarily the satisfaction of a sick power lust that they received from breaking through the natural resistance of a straight male against getting analy penetrated.
Suan, it's too bad you skipped from Leviticus 18 to Leviticus 20. If you didn't you'd have read Leviticus 19:13, "The wages of a hired servant shall not remain with you all night until the morning."
Now, since you can't pick and choose which parts of God's teaching you wish to obey, I expect you to start pushing for a law requiring that all employees be paid daily.
"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination" (Leviticus 18:22).
You hear that, women? No sleeping with men, only have sex with other women! Sleeping with men is an abomination.
Men will just have to get used to screwing their socks.
The Roman Catholic Church needs to wash its dirty laundry
Especially the protecting of pedophile priests bit.
but it cannot change the teachings of the Bible.
You, however, do a good job of ignoring parts of it, like Luke 6:41-42. You have no place to say anything to anyone else.
So, they are allowed to do it standing up?
Ha ha, Rubber Chicken beat me to it!
"You may not pick and choose which parts of God's teaching you wish to obey."
So you are an orthodox Jewess, Susan?
Or
- do you wear garments of mixed fabric?
etc.
These too are abominations. If you do any of these you ARE cherrypicking and choosing.
Hypocrite much?
Why isn't eating lobster still an abomination, too? And wearing poly-cotton blends? Can it be that those godly rules are considered silly today, but since people are still prejudiced against GLBT people the whole "homosexuality is a sin" thing persists? Just wild speculation...
"...but God does not change. You may not pick and choose which parts of God's teaching you wish to obey."
So what else is an abomination?
Lev 11:10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which [is] in the waters, they [shall be] an abomination unto you:Lev 11:13 And these [are they which] ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they [are] an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,Lev 11:23 But all [other] flying creeping things, which have four feet, [shall be] an abomination unto you.Deu 22: The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so [are] abomination unto the LORD thy God.
Shall I go on? You better not wear pants or eat shellfish. After all, god does not change and you can't pick and choose.
"The true Christian can neither alter God's viewpoint nor depart from it."
True, the true Christian can't. However, the human being can, and usually does. It's not difficult.
The Roman Catholic Church needs to wash its dirty laundry, but it cannot change the teachings of the Bible.
Is this bozo saying that the RC Church supports LGBT rights or that it doesn't have to change it's crappy doctrine on LGBT rights?
Because if it's the former, that's gotta be the stupidest thing I've ever heard! It's like saying "The Klan must quit supporting them darkies!".
Also, you're citing a bunch of legislation for the ANCIENT Hebrews who lived 3000 years ago, not stuff that applies to modern societies! Stick with The GOSPELS! It's not hard! Forget the OT & NT Epistles! If you're a Christian, the Gospels are the standard that the other stuff should be measured by!
The OT's outmoded (well, in Christianity, anyway)! The Epistles are hit or miss at best and forged crap at worst. Just stick with "That Nice Jewish Boy from Nazareth" and you're fine.
> You may not pick and choose which parts of God's teaching you wish to obey.
> The Roman Catholic Church needs to wash its dirty laundry, but it cannot change the teachings of the Bible.
@ SpukiKitty
You asked: Is this bozo saying that the RC Church supports LGBT rights or that it doesn't have to change it's crappy doctrine on LGBT rights?
The way I read it is that Susan is a Protestant. She's responding to the claims that the new Pope might change the Church's stance on married priests or LGBT rights.
This prohibition in Leviticus, however, doesn't condemn homosexualtiy in and of itself but within a specific context: Jews engaging in no-Jewish rites of worship that invovled temple prostitution. In the original Hebrew the word you've rendered 'abomination' is the word 'toebah', which denotes 'ritually impermissible'--it's the ame word the Torah usew to condemn idolatry. If the authors meant to convey the meaning homosexuality wasn't inherently immoral they'd have used the Hebrew word 'zimah'.
Further, the Levitical holiness code only applied to a specific group of people (members of the nation of Israel) at a specific period of time (when that nation was becoming exposed to non-jewish influences which threatened the continued existence of a discrete Jewish identity.)
So it's not just women who get a free pass on homosexuality--it's anyone who isn't a religious Jew living in Canaan around 1450 BC.
Jesus said NOTHING on homosexuality and I'm not Jew, thank you very much. So, yes, I think that God has not change in 3000 years, just joking.
"You may not pick and choose which parts of God's teaching you wish to obey. "
Ok, have you ever worked on Sunday? Exodus 31:12-15
Well, according to your book, you are to be put to death. Remember, no picking and choosing which parts to obey...
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