Abortion kills the person who was started/conceived.
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Abortion never does anything good for a woman. Abortion can lead to many problems including mental.
Not if no one is screaming "You're a murderer, you're going to hell, Jesus doesn't love you any more" at a frightened fundie teenager.
No one has told you that women are in more danger from giving birth than from legal abortion I guess.
Last I heard, 287 pregnancies per 100,000 lead to maternal death in the US. I'm betting those women wouldn't die if they had abortions instead.
I agree with the second point but the rest are rather repetitive. Well, the last is rather imprecise, for abortion is more or less legal in most parts of the world. And, regarding the possible effects, the same should apply following your logic, if a woman has a miscarriage(much more, since the effect is not sought), and honestly, even though one goes through a state of sadness, it doesn´t last long. Moreover, if it did, taking into account that all women who have children have gone through it at least once in their fertile lives, the world should have finished by now.
"Abortion kills the person who was started/conceived."No, what is aborted is not a person. Months later, it MIGHT have BECOME a person.
"Abortion would have killed you if it was applied before you were born."
I would not have existed.
"Abortion never does anything good for a woman."
Absolutely false. Sometimes is saves her life. Sometimes it prevents serious injury. Sometimes it prevents serious psychological damage. Sometimes it prevents serious life-long family discord. Sometimes it allows a girl to finish school and become a stable member of society. Etc. Etc. Etc.
"Abortion does not help."
Please see above.
"Abortion can lead to many problems including mental."
"mental?" Mental isn't a problem. It's true some women have some psychological issues after an abortion, but so do those who carry their pregnancies to term.
Carrying a pregnancy to term is much more dangerous than a legal, medical abortion.
"Abortion is a nice way to say murder."
No, murder is the unjustified termination of a human being. What is aborted in an abortion is not a human being.
"Abortion after birth is called murder in most societies."
OK. You see, after birth, it's a human being, before birth it is not.
Abortion does not help.
1) Yes.
Abortion is what you will never have to worry about having because I bet you are male, creep! Abortion allows a woman to have control over her own body instead of you, your government or your church(rankles the shit out of you doesn't it)!
Abortion kills the person who was started/conceived. If by "person" you mean "zygote," "embryo," or "fetus."Abortion would have killed you if it was applied before you were born. BZZZT. Eight years before I was born, my mother had an abortion. Had she not, she and child would have lived in grinding poverty; she would never have met my father; and even if she had, Child the First would have showed her that pregnancy was a miserable experience she did not want to repeat. Abortion applied before I was born = the chance for me to be born. Yay abortion!
Abortion never does anything good for a woman. Except save her life, her health, her sanity, and/or her future.
Abortion does not help. It does if being pregnant is the source of all the problems.
Abortion can lead to many problems including mental. So can childbirth. So can driving a car. So can getting out of bed in the morning. Yet no one suggests we don't do these things.
Abortion is a nice way to say murder. Not in most jurisdictions.
Abortion after birth is called murder in most societies. Unless it's called capital punishment.
"Abortion kills the person who was started/conceived."
Sure helped me. I'm working on a Ph.D. I never would have had, living in a state I couldn't live in if I had to worry about moving too far away from "dad," and not having to take a kid for visits with an ex-hub who's made blaming me for everything bad that's ever happened his vocation. Abortion is a nice way to say "It's my body and my life."
"Last I heard, 287 pregnancies per 100,000 lead to maternal death in the US. I'm betting those women wouldn't die if they had abortions instead."
Abortion kills the person who was started/conceived Abortion would have killed you if it was applied before you were born.
Contraception would definitely 'kill' you before you were born
Abortion never does anything good for a woman.
Unless you're a woman, then shut up.
Abortion does not help.
Help what?
Abortion can lead to many problems including mental.
As much as forcing women to become mothers before they are ready.
Abortion is a nice way to say murder.
Murder is killing a person. The embryo is not exactly a person.
Abortion after birth is called murder in most societies.
Abortion can only happen before birth, not after. You are again confusing the concepts of murder and abortion deliberately.
Forced pregnancy destroys the life of one person who could think, feel, and act for themself.
To Papabear, TDR, Lunalelle, Pix, SakuraPassion, Beccs, Nami, Doobs, William Ho, Current,
Christ the King (heh), please don't speculate on the stupidity of others when your entire refutation of their statements is based on two major assumptions.during the birth, not after it.
Second, you assume that I or anyone else who commented on the "abortion after birth is called murder" bit would condone the legalization of partial birth abortion. I cannot speak for anyone else around here, but I assure you that I do not generally condone partial birth abortion. I do, however, believe that abortion prior to viability ought to be safe, legal, and available, and that no woman should be made to feel guilty for ANY medical decision she makes.
Well Pix your position is as clear as mud.
Flipper says,http://www.rachelsvineyard.org/
Hey, Christ the King: care to cite any of your assertations?serious complications and/or fetal abnormalities . That means that either the woman or the fetus will not survive completion ofthe full term of pregnancy--and, as an abortion was not sought earlier (when its safer and more convenient), that said pregancy was wanted . The procedure you described is (or rather was) used, in very rare case, because it was the safest option for such late situations.
And for your edification (as a nice balance to that most imformative link you offered):
http://www.imnotsorry.net/ The FAQs. in particular might be of interest to you.
And, for good measure, here's http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html (beucase it's always a good idea to actually know something about the topic you're discussing).
yes it does. your point?
My period is late this month. I am a nineteen year old college student in a committed relationship, but I'm busy with school and I don't have the time or money to properly raise a child. If I'm pregnant, I am -totally- getting an abortion. Sorry (except for not).
You're not a person until you have a nervous system, a "soul" and a heartbeat - at the earliest. The Bible says you're only a person 40 days after birth.
God is the greatest abortionist; somewhere around four out of five implanted embryos are spontaneously aborted before the end of the first trimester. Quite a few more are stillborn or born with such severe birth defects that they only live a few hours or days.
After a year you are considered involuntary childless. What did we do wrong, in the eyes of your God?
You are Failure 2010.
Abortion would have killed you if it was applied before you were born.
It wouldn't have killed me, since there would have been no "me" to kill -- it simply would have prevented me from existing in the first place. Similarly, I wouldn't exist if my parents had chosen not to have sex -- abstinence kills!
This guy has been repeating himself over and over for 3 years in that thread, and of the several pages I read, I didn't see one coherent argument from him.
One thing I found particularly amusing is how he kept commenting about how that thread was so popular because people are interested in what they're saying about abortion and sites are linking to it. I doubt he has any idea that one or more of those links are right here on this site, where people are laughing at his stupidity.
“Abortion kills the person who was started/conceived.”
“Abortion would have killed you if it was applied before you were born.”
“Abortion never does anything good for a woman.”
“Abortion does not help.”
“Abortion can lead to many problems including mental.”
“Abortion is a nice way to say murder.”
“Abortion after birth is called murder in most societies.”
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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