There is NO separation between Church and State, For all those who think about public education, they should thank the church, as it was Sunday School which started Public education. Let them pray, let them learn, if you dont like it then find another school for your child. Home School the child.
This is a Christian nation, and we Christians will not back away from this. There is no separation, and We Christians have a right to be in public schools.
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"We Christians have a right to be in public schools."
Nobody ever said Christians didn't have a right to be in the public schools! What a ridiculous complaint you're making!
If it's Jesus you want your child learning about, then Sunday School is the place for that. Public school is for acquiring knowledge with which to compete and survive in the world of today. A child of today can achieve and succeed solely with the latter, but not solely with the former.
What annoys people like Doug is not that their kids can't pray in school. Christians have plenty of other opportunities to pray before and after school, or even in school if they go off by themselves individually and do it privately. Doug and his fundie friends well know this. What bugs Doug is that he can't make your kids pray in accordance with his religious beliefs. That's why Doug and his kind never give a straight answer to the question "why don't you just pray with your kids at home?".
Interesting. When the fundies say there is no separation between Church and State and that this is a Christian nation -- they're the first to object if I agree and say we all should be using the prayers and rituals from MY church (which is liberal)!right way" (e.g., their way, which is usually mindlessly literal).
Of course, what it boils down to is the fact that the fundies demand special privileges which they are not willing to grant to others.
To John (#102894): it's quite obvious Doug has never taken a course in Organic Chemistry, Differential Equations or Music Theory between 1000 and 1400 A.D.
UberLutheran: To John (#102894): it's quite obvious Doug has never taken a course in Organic Chemistry, Differential Equations or Music Theory between 1000 and 1400 A.D.
I prayed myself before a Differential Equations exam ... it was easier than studying, but probably not as effective.
If you want to be able to force your prayers on a public school, you would have to be willing to allow every other religion that the United States recognizes to have their prayers in public school as well, such as Islam and Satanism (to choose two that fundies seem to have issues with). Are you sure you want to give them equal time with christianity in public schools for praying? Do you want your child to pray to Satan after finishing the Wicca equinox celebration, before moving on to chanting 'Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn!" just so that someone else's kid has to pray to your God?
@uberLutheran
they're the first to object if I agree and say we all should be using the prayers and rituals from MY church (which is liberal) !women pastors !"
"Oh, no: you don't read the Bible the right way" (e.g., their way, which is usually mindlessly literal).
Would I be correct in assuming your'e ECLA, UberLutheran?
Praying before tests, of course, is excluded because it's a personal choice and you can pray to anyone you might think will let you pass. Ganesha , he's the god of intellect/wisdom and patron deity of students, plus how can you not love a pot-bellied, four-armed, mouse-riding elephant-headed god? You could also try Athena (or Coyote if you attempt to cheat), but the Xian Gawd is worse than useless: supposedly he's all-knowing, but he doesn't like it when mere mortals try to gain knowledge...
Traitor1:
Most definitely you have a right to be in public schools, just leave your religion at the door when you enter and collect it again when you leave. And if you find this too hard to do, then find a religious school or stay at home.
"This is a Christian nation, and we Christians will not back away from this."
Well, tell it to Richard Gere or Mohammed Ali. Listen guy, AMERICA IS NOT A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY in the traditional sense of the word. It´s impossible because most of the laws are not based in the Bible commands. Besides, the public education DIDN´T start with the Sunday school, they go hand in hand since the mist of time. Now, your suggestion to take your children to another school or homeschool is totally opposed to what the constitution said. If you have a Roman Catholic president as Kennedy was, the public school, which receives money from people of all faiths, must be a reflection of that spirit, because, remember, this woman IS PAYING that system, therefore, she has her rights too.
Well, let´s leave this guy to read the constitution. Anyway, what I mean it´s that you can pray in school as much as you want to but what you won´t have is praying as a MANDATORY AND SCHOOL SANCTION activity. Period. Besides, I would like to remind those people in the thread that serial killing and all those "problems" they mentioned exist long before compulsory praying was taken away. Besides, your concept of Christian nation, for Doug, is totally crashed with statistics. In fact, you´ll be grateful that there is separation between state and religion in Queens, where you´d have to pray the shema, in Hawai, where you would have to pray in Buddist way, in North Brookling, where the Ave Maria would be prevalent or in any district controlled by Nations of Islam, where you´d have to bow looking towards Mecca. Don´t take for granted that the praying is ALWAYS going to be the protestant variety and the Bible classes will be KJV version.
From Wiki's article on ToT:"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
There is NO separation between Church and State. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...
@The Founding FathersThe Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
For all those who think about public education, they should thank the church, as it was Sunday School which started Public education.
Dude, if the church had its way, we'd still believe the Earth was the center of the universe and humans were poofed into existence by a magic sky fairy.
Let them pray, let them learn...
Public schools teach anyone who wants to learn. If you want to pray in school, fine.
...if you dont like it then find another school for your child.
Wow! I can just feel the arrogance piping down the series of tubes and spilling out of my screen!
I'll take out my Acme Translator to help you understand exactly why it's so arrogant.
[Acme Translator is starting up]
Machine translations are imperfect. Single-tired-person translations may be equally flawed. Fundiebabble-to-English translator now engaged.
Translation:
Public schools which are paid for by everybody should discriminate against everyone who doesn't share my unsupported beliefs. Anybody who doesn't agree with me should pay for a private school or teach your kids at home, while continuing to pay for public schools that promote my unsupported belief.
Home School the child.
If you insist on keeping your kid awash in religious propaganda 24/7, why don't you homeschool your child?
This is a Christian nation...
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...and we Christians will not back away from this.
You're fighting to restore something that never existed in the first place.
You know, this is why you should send your kids to public school.
There is no separation...
The Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the Treaty of Tripoli, and the Founding Fathers, most of whom were deists, would care to disagree.
...and We Christians have a right to be in public schools.
Yes, you have a right to be in public schools.
No, really, look around you. You have a right to send your kids to public school. No one's stopping you. We're not telling you to keep your kids home, and we're not telling your kids not to pray in school. We're merely preventing the schools from forcing everyone to pray according to your beliefs.
The Treaty of Tripoli isn't a recipe for tripe, Doug.
And you really should try and get at least one fact aprroximately correct if you're going to wander around the Internet.
Here's an idea. If you're SO opposed to the governance of this country, why not move to the Vatican? Nobody's stopping you; as a matter of fact, the rest of the country would be GLAD to kick your uneducated ass out of the voter pool.
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