[If Eve ate the apple from the tree of knowledge of right and wrong, Why was it a sin? she didn't know disobeying god was wrong untill after she ate the apple.]
He told adam not to....therefore adam sinned. that's why we men have the adam apple.
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Omni Noodle beat me too it. But also, why the fuck did God put the "apple" there if he didn't want them to eat it, and don't give me any of that test shit, God is supposed to know all, so he knew what they were going to do.
Oddly enough, it's the snake that told Eve what the Tree of Knowledge actually was. God's the one that told them if they chowed down on it they'd die instantly. God lied about the outcome. What's up with that? I think I'm going to change my personal definition of "sin" to read as "anything any particular fundy finds offensive at the moment".
Hmm... and that must mean if gawd premeditated humanity's downfall, he's a sadistic prick.
I wonder if it was a red delicious. I love those and if I was Eve, I'd down several of them bad boys despite dire warnings and talking snakes.
I think Taylor missed the question. If the knowledge of right and wrong was conferred by the fruit, how did Adam and Eve know they were doing wrong before they ate the fruit?
Anyway, why the heck did God create magic trees to begin with? And are there immortal and/or morally aware worms crawling around somewhere for having eaten the fruit? Or did He condemn them too and later redeem them with the blood of God's Only Begotten Worm?
I"ve asked this question before, and always received the same kind of answer indicating some kind of mental block on the part of the questionee.
Why were Adam & Eve punished, if they didn't know what they were doing was wrong until after?
Because God told them not to do it.
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But how did they know it was wrong to disobey?
that's why we men have the adam apple.
Nonsense. Not all men have clearly visible adams apples and there are quite a few women who do. It's the one less rib thing all over again - Learn actual biology before spouting your folklore crap.
Nonsense. Not all men have clearly visible adams apples and there are quite a few women who do.
Yeah, see Mann Coulter for an example of the latter.
That's like telling a 2 year old it's wrong to take a cookie and then kicking them out of the house and cursing their name for decades because they didn't listen. It's highly irrational behavior to begin with, but when you add the naive nature of the individual in question it's irrationality is beyond measurement. In your scenario the 2 year old was never before told anything was wrong, never before corrected when he did something wrong, and so had no idea what any of that meant.
Worse yet, given that your god was all powerful he would've had to know that his creation wasn't going to be able to follow his instructions and should've understood why. Therefore he should've created a better model or not bothered at all. To create something that he knows will disappoint him just so he can give them an overly harsh punishment is again irrational and insanely cruel. It's like making a baby and waiting for the first time they will speak against you (like all children do) so you can beat them with club and make them think you will drown them by holding their head underwater until the last possible second where you then proceed to lock them in the basement and barely feeding them for the rest of their lives. If a parent did that they would be put in jail, if a king did such things to his people they would rebel against the tyrant and behead him when caught. But, if a god does it you say he's kind and offer yourself over to him blindly.
I remember being told that story when I was 5, I asked about the origins of the name.
I didn't think anyone takes the story seriiously. I mean, even at 5, I knew many things are named after mythical beings.
WHA?!?
thats all i have.. WHA!?
What Adrian and Osiris said.
And Lo, Adam's balls did drop and pubic hair sprang forth thereof and he became ashamed of his nakedness.
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Ok, fine. Have it your way then. Adam sinned.
This does, of course, mean you fundies are going to stop treating women as subhuman beasts, responsible for the downfall of all humankind, right? Right?
...and it's Taylor, deftly evading Reason, Logic, and Sense, making a quick kick past Coherency, and...
"Adam's Apple" is just a name. If you're suggesting that the name absolutely must be derived from history and not merely mythology and folklore, then explain the origins of "Cupid's Bow" (that little dip between your nose and mouth). Did Cupid really hit the first humans in the face? Or maybe, just maybe, it's just a name derived from popular stories?
I thought it was 'good and evil' but that implies similarly strange things, like that they were doing evil things but didn't know it until they ate the magic fruit.
It's just a parable about why people are different than animals and a folklore explanation of why having babies hurts.
It's irrelevant whether God told Adam and/or Eve not to eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good & evil because, even if God DID tell them that, until they had knowledge of good and evil, they could not have known disobeying God was evil.
"What was it that Adam ate that he wasn't supposed to eat? It wasn't just an apple. It was the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. The subtle message? 'Get smart and I'll fuck you over,' sayeth the Lord. God is the smartest, and he doesn't want any competition. Is this not an absolutely anti-intellectual religion?"
- Frank Zappa
Well, at least he says that Adam sinned as well as Eve, instead of saying that it was all Eve's fault, like other fundies do.
And tell me how this doesn't make God a petty sadist? He plunks a tree in the middle of the garden, giving Adam and Eve free roam, saying "See this? It's yours. All of it. Have fun! Just don't eat anything from that tree. Just that one. But it's such a pretty tree. Have fun!" God gave us curiosity. Your sacred text even says as much. So would he not put 2 and 2 together, and not set his children up for resounding failure? Seriously! If someone put a hot plate in the middle of the floor, and told a kid "Don't touch" they'd have social services on their dorrstep so fast it'd make your head spin. Why? BECAUSE YOU KNOW THE DAMN KIDS GONNA TOUCH IT! However, it does lay the foundation for the classic "Blame the Victim" mentality fundies tend to exhibit.
Uhm, do you also know the explanation why we have Achilles Heel? if not, try something less headtwisting, like the Athlete's Foot. ~~,
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