[Re: Man dressed as Santa opens fire at California Christmas party]
This is what bothers me about those who are left behind. They just don't comprehend that without the believers and the restrainer in place, even their "goodness" will not protect them. Can you imagine that people are going to just walk up to people and kill them. They will hurt and abuse them just for kicks. They will want what they have and just take it. Robbery and murder all day long. Cops won't be able to protect them.The restrainer is the ONLY reason this type of tragedy is not happening every minute of the day. People don't commit crimes because they may get caught or they don't want their Mom or Dads to see them in jail. But when the conscious that governs good and evil is gone, there will be nothing left to stop them.
I get upset at my non-believing friends and family because they do not understand how unfair it is to me (us) to have to worry about them now...today... because of what I know for tomorrow. And the ones who keep saying, "but I am a good person". How long is that good going to last when they are left behind to try and defend themselves. It is going to turn into an eye for and eye. This type of tragedy will become so common place, it won't even make news..... Do our unsaved loved ones have a clue as to the fear we have for them being left behind? They can't care because they don't know........ I am just upset now thinking about it....
Sorry, did not mean to take someone else tragedy and personalize it...forgive my rant. Is there a thread on how to deal with our feelings for those who won't accept Christ?
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"People don't commit crimes because they may get caught or they don't want their Mom or Dads to see them in jail. But when the conscious that governs good and evil is gone, there will be nothing left to stop them."
Other than our morals and sense of decency.
You see, the reason most people don't commit crimes is because it's a dick thing to do to other people. If that's not the case with you then you have my pity.
You also have my pity for all the unnecessary guilt over your weird fantasy that you are apparently feeling, assuming it's genuine and not a lot of moral posturing for the holier-than-thou RR crowd.
Is there a thread on how to deal with our feelings for those who won't accept Christ?
- Why should there be? There is such a thing as minding your own business and not poking your nose into the affairs of others.
Is there a thread on how to deal with our feelings for those who won't accept Christ?
Oh dont wrap it up in that BS. Your using a tragedy to rant about how you and your sect are the only moral people on Earth and we'll all miss your wise and fair guidance. Fuck you. Just because you babble about Jesus and love doesnt make you a more moral person then the rest of us, it especially doesnt make the hateful bigoted partisan assholes who compromise RR any more moral. Its like that episode of Southpark:
"Cartman your not BEING nice, your just wearing a nice sweater"
"I dont understand the difference"
"I know you don't"
Funny, I don't hurt people simply because I know it is wrong. I even feel remorse and shame whenever I do, even if the act was unintentional on my part. Yet, I hold no belief in some external "restrainer".
[They just don't comprehend that without the believers and the restrainer in place, even their "goodness" will not protect them. Can you imagine that people are going to just walk up to people and kill them. They will hurt and abuse them just for kicks. They will want what they have and just take it. Robbery and murder all day long. ]
Many christians murder and steal. Look at the prision population. Religion doesn't always give one good morals.
[I get upset at my non-believing friends and family because they do not understand how unfair it is to me (us) to have to worry about them now...today... because of what I know for tomorrow. ]
1. The word "rapture" is not mentioned in the scriptures.
2. Jesus promised to return during the lifetimes of his disciples.
[Is there a thread on how to deal with our feelings for those who won't accept Christ? ]
Just about every thread on RR.
Please, please, please retain your beliefs. If thinking that there is a God who is going to take you way up in the air one day is the only thing that stops you personally from robbing and killing, I hope you never lose faith.
Norm
Tragedy does happen every single minute of the day.
Pay attention.
If your God was capable of stopping it, he would have done so a long time ago because people doing bad things is nothing new.
I've got news for you: as an atheist, I worry about all of my friends and family for any number of reasons. it's a part of being human. How about worrying about earthly matters and not what might happen when all of you people are gone.
Personally, I do kind of hope the so-called rapture happens so that we can be rid of the likes of you, cocopea!
I am amazed at the lack of rational thinking here. These people really do worship a hatefilled, jealous, spiteful deity.
Is there a thread on how to deal with our feelings for those who won't accept Christ?
yeah at fstdt.com
Protip: that psycho in the santa suit was a Christian .
Not that I'm surprised they're ignoring that. Imagine if he were a Muslim/atheist/etc, they'd be beating that dead horse for months at least...
Actually cocopea9052 all you have to do to have a clear conscious to hurt others is to think that God wants you to do it.
Nonbelievers can't do that, because there is no skydaddy to excuse hurting other people.
I keep reading "the restrainer" as "the retainer" and this harkens back to all the things my mom used to say to get me to wear my retainer as a kid. Y'know, if you don't, your jaw will lock up and you will have to eat from a straw, you'll get vampire teeth and people will be afraid of you, etc...
[Re: Man dressed as Santa opens fire at California Christmas party]
*raises an eyebrow* Winthorp, is that you?
What's really weird, is that, since becoming an atheist, I've actually had to use my brain to find objective reasons to be moral. Amazingly enough, I've succeeded. I've yet to kill/rape/steal/be bigoted/etc since-and I know why beyond, "Godsaidso."
Why are you more moral then me, again?
lol, what an unabashed piece of self-righeousness. "All hell would break loose if we weren't here."
And who is "the restrainer"? Sounds like some BDSM shit.
Without God and Jesus, all social moores are thrown out the window, which explains the centuries of social and civilization building in places like India and China, Greek and Roman empires, the Celts, Norsemen, Native Americans... the list goes on.
"They just don't comprehend that without the believers and the restrainer in place, even their "goodness" will not protect them"
If all chaos will break loose because of all the True Christians (TM) suddenly disappearing, it's not because of lack of "goodness," it's just instinct.
"I get upset at my non-believing friends and family because they do not understand how unfair it is to me (us) to have to worry about them now...today... because of what I know for tomorrow"
Dumbest statement I've ever heard. This person has the reasoning skills of a drugged goldfish.
...Sometimes I feel almost gleeful that this kind of condescending, presumptious twat is going to die disappointed, having never experienced the Rapture and subsequent downfall of civilisation they've been looking forward to their whole lives.
And I'm usually a nice guy, so that seems like kind of an unusually mean thing for me to think. Maybe I should just stop reading RR posts.
"They don't understand how unfair it is to me"? I mean, seriously?
They just don't comprehend that without the believers and the restrainer in place, ...
The restrainer is the ONLY reason this type of tragedy is not happening every minute of the day.
The Restrainer? Is that what the kids are calling god these days? Tsk tsk tsk. These people have no moral compass whatsoever.
I get upset at my non-believing friends and family because they do not understand how unfair it is to me (us) to have to worry about them
Oh, boo hoo, they persecute me so much.
Is there a thread on how to deal with our feelings for those who won't accept Christ?
You need a thread ? Just trusting in your jebus isn't answering it for you anymore, and you must put your faith into the internet?
" *gasp* You have FEELINGS for the unbelievers?? Blasphemy!! "
Actually, they can have feelings for the unsaved. Specifically, blind hatred.
I had to wear a restrainer for a couple of years. Fuckin' hated it, made me want to commit crimes.
Other than that, you have no fucking clue what you're babbling about because you fail to see the weak link in your logic, it being the Left Behind books made up the rapture nonsense and you didn't only buy the books; the bought into to it, too.
so this guy had access to FOUR guns, and explosives and then went on a killing spree.
Firstly,it sugggests a severe lack in control of weaponry.
Secondly, it suggests he went off the rails, since very, very, few sane people think that mayhem is a natural reaction to a bad divorce
This also further debunks Pascal's Wager, as if it needed further debunking.
Pascal's Wager says that there's no cost to believing, but if you're fretting over the unsaved ones, that's a huge cost right there.
The RR folks seem to have invented yet another personality for God,not content with Father, Son & Holy Ghost they have added The Restrainer to the "Holy Trinity".
Surely this is heresy by Christian standards
"I get upset at my non-believing friends and family because they do not understand how unfair it is to me (us) to have to worry about them..."
And you have no idea how unfair it is to your poor non-believing friends and family to have to deal with your psychotic episodes.
I almost feel sorry for this dolt...
Christians, though very silly and very narrow-minded, DO love people, even beyond their own belief system. Having been a Christian once I can tell you it is one of the worst things about the faith...to realize that you won't be able to convert everyone you care about (even though you'd do anything to save them) and they will suffer forever in hell while you get to go to heaven.
But the problem is completely erased once you realize God isn't real.
Can you imagine that people are going to just walk up to people and kill them. They will hurt and abuse them just for kicks. They will want what they have and just take it. Robbery and murder all day long. Cops won't be able to protect them.
And this would be different from what's happening right now? It scares the crap out of me at how many fundies think that everyone would be vicious killers except for a fear of god. It leads fundies to doing wrong and justifying it because they're "good Christians"
I've said it before, I'll say it again, if someone I'm dealing with tells me what a good Christian they are, I know I'm about to get screwed over.
Edit:
Is the restrainer, the same guy as the decider?
Isn't it strange that only fundies think that all other people are savage sociopaths?
All us normal people, living according to the Golden Rule, never make this surmise.
The eye for an eye is according to the Bible, not according to normal evolutionary morality.
@Swede : Actually, "an eye for an eye" is the gist of (and possibly a quote from) Hammurabi's Code, one of the first known sets of formalized, written laws for punishing criminal behavior.
It ran on the idea that a crime should be punished by having the same kind of suffering inflicted upon the perpetrator: thieves would forfeit an amount of their property equal to the value of what they stole, a shoddy architect who had one of his poorly-built houses collapse and kill the occupant's son would have his own child executed, etc.
Brutal, but effective at keeping order in a society struggling to survive against foreign aggression and the whims of nature; rather like the Old Testament.
Is there a thread on how to deal with our feelings for those who won't accept Christ?
Right here - fstdt. I get to laugh my ass off every day at you silly fucks. Works for me.
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@ Thejebusfire
2. Jesus promised to return during the lifetimes of his disciples.
Houdini said he's come back, too, if he could.
Still waiting...
Is it wrong that I giggled when I read the thing about the gunman dressed up as Santa? I really tend to laugh at the "wrong things".
Oh, and if the Rapture does happen, don't worry cocopea9052, we'll be fine. We'll be just fine with world peace and non-stop orgies, while you losers are sucking your God's ethereal cock until the end of time.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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