actually i dont think i like the world outside of my 16th century bubble... after all life was better back then... values were stronger, standards higher, men were men, women were women, purity was esteemed as a virtue... need I go on? So as for me... ill stay back here in my 16th century bubble, esspecially since that is the Bubble the Bible happens to be in on this issue.
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Oh, yes. I want to go back to a time when "men were men and women were women," as in, girls and women couldn't leave the protection of male relatives for an instant for fear of being caught out alone and raped. Another cool thing was how no one from landowning families could choose their own marriage partners. (Poor people didn't live all that long anyway so who cared about them.) The plague was pretty neat too. I could go on and on!
Yes, and there were wars, epidemics, executions, people didn´t reach 40 years, women died during childbirth, you couldn´t follow the religion of your choice, servants were second-class citizens.........can I go on?
men were men, women were women
I'd nominate him for "Marching Proudly in into the 16th Century", because honestly, I can't remember a post that deserves it more, but he'd probably enjoy that and wear it as a badge of honor.
The 16th century, when rich men wore frivilous clothes with all kind of ribbons, wigs, high shoes resembling the kind women sometimes wear today, use make up, use parfum (No deodorant for you) and don't bath (you wouldn't want to catch a flu and die, would you?).
Well, he/she is a fundie, for sure. But obviously not of the "King James Version Only." The KJV came out in the 17th century, making it just too modern and worldly for bound4nothing.
The average person born in 1550 didn't live to see 1555. If you are over 5 years old please kill yourself, or better yet die of smallpox (vaccination wasn't developed until 1798), Scarlet fever (penecillin, 1945) or the ever popular Black Death( vaccine developed in 20th century)
The average person born in 1550 didn't live to see 1555. If you are over 5 years old please kill yourself, or better yet die of smallpox (vaccination wasn't developed until 1798), Scarlet fever (penecillin, 1945) or the ever popular Black Death( vaccine developed in 20th century)
"... ill stay back here in my 16th century bubble...."
In the late 16th century, if Bound had been a Protestant living in Spain or France, he probably would have been killed. If he had been living in England, he might have been killed for being either a Protestant or a Catholic, depending on who was on the throne. In Holland, he would have been killed some times for being a Catholic, and other times for not being a Catholic, depending on what part of the country he was living in and which side was winning at the time. And all the time the same lyin', cheatin' and stealin', getting pregnant out of wedlock and catching STDs was going on as it does today. Human nature doesn't change much.
Lives were shorter and harder, poverty was more widespread, political and religious freedoms were severely restricted, travel was difficult and dangerous, communication was limited, slow and unreliable, culture and education were non-existent except for the well off, disease was rampant, and justice and law were enforced brutally and heavily skewed in favour of the rich and influential. Need I go on?
First off, the Bible is in a Second Century bubble, not a Sixteenth Century one. That King James Bible you worship like a leather bound god is not the original, not is it really very accurate to the original.
... and the Indians were savages, and the Africans were slaves, and the Jews were loan sharks, and the Chinese were Mongols and the Japanese samurai could kill any peasants who touched their swords (if you know what I mean).
bound4stupidity wrote:
The Bible was written in the 16th century?
Someone doesn't read history.
16th century = 1501/1600 I think.
"This guy needs to watch the movie "The Libertine," there you get to see the 16th/17th century in all its moral goodness (please note that the main character in the movie is a pornographic play-write)."
Men were real men, women were real women, and small, furry creatures
Life was dirty, hard, brutish and short. Everyone lived two thirds as long as they do now, in conditions we wouldn't stand for in third-world countries now. The powerful oppresses the populace at will, and no one even saw a problem with that. It was barbaric, and eliminating pressure on you to defend a damn book is a terrible reason to want to go back.
Ah yes, the times of old. When men were real men, women were real women, and furry blue creatures from Alpha Centauri were furry blue creatures from Alpha Centauri.
Oh, wait, that's the Hitchhiker's Guide. Sorry about that.
Yes, the Church was in control, holding back progress and science, keeping the masses uneducated and making war on anyone who didn't follow their teachings.
What a wonderful world it was! *rolls eyes*
There's only one word for this sort of thinking:
*THOOMP*
Wait. Thoomp isn't a real word. Well, I guess there aren't any.
"values were stronger"
Wrong.
"standards higher"
Wrong. Most people were extremely poor, died earlier, they didn't have this advanced technology etc. Don't be a fucking retard.
"men were men, women were women"
You mean, men controlled women is that it? How the fuck is that better?
If your problem is tolerance of gay people, it's their right to have relationships with whoever they want. Keep out of it. I hope one day you get a serious beating for being such a goddamn bigot.
"purity was esteemed as a virtue"
Suck my dick... I don't care about purity.
You are aware that Shakespeare wrote at least one love sonnet to a young boy, aren't you?
Wait...that was the modern and depraved 17th century. So sorry.
Not to mention disease was rampant, adultery was expected of a man, living conditions, even in palaces, was awful, what with people urinating just about everywhere they wanted, vermin and insects freely getting moving about, and everyone constantly being too hot in the summer, too cold in the winter. Don't even take in the fact that people were burned or beheaded under certain rulers for the simple fact that someone claimed they weren't the country's chosen branch of Christianity, and would often die even if they conformed. Children were rarely expected to last through infancy, only the priveledged knew how to read and write... Need I go on?
Ah, the 16th century...when Europe was still that pestilent backwater with the pathetic lack of effective sanitation and planning, and much lower standards of living than in the civilized parts of the world...
I thought John Travolta was the "Boy in the Bubble." By the way, "Bound for Glory" surely has no idea - due to the "Bubble" I'm sure - that "Bound for Glory" is the title of the semi-autobiographical novel by that hideous, godless Socialist, Woodie Guthrie!
When people look to the past they always think that they'll be the well off,and well looked after.
Well face it folks, the people at the top always need a lot at the bottom.
and that would be us, and this dolt.
values were stronger, [...] purity was esteemed as a virtue...
May I introduce you to Pope Alexander VI?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Alexander_VI
after all life was better back then
Honestly: My personal living standard is incredibly higher than that of any duke in the 16th century. And I am just a normal guy.
The duke might have had servants. But I am now older than 40 years, and I still have all my teeth (which are in perfect health). If I want to visit any foreign country, I simply board an airplane. I enjoy fresh meat and vegetables all year round. I communicate in an instant with people all round the world. I have access to incredible knowledge only a click away. My apartment is dry and heated in winter. And this is only a fraction of wonders a duke from the 16th century could only dream of.
Anybody who claims that life in the 16th century was allegedly better has no f***ing clue.
Ahh, the glorious 16th century. Where lifespans were shorter, non-noblemen were cannon-fodder and non-noblewomen were all but slaves, disease and starvation were rampant, ignorance was endemic and suffering was esteemed as a virtue. Where most people never traveled farther than 20 miles from their place of birth. Where infant mortality often topped 50%, and even minor illnesses by today's standards were often painfully fatal. Where most people couldn't read, lived by backbreaking, grueling labor under hideously filthy conditions, and one's life was the property of your feudal lord and king, to do with as they willed.
You can have it. The rest of us will stay here in the modern era and laugh at you.
"actually i dont think i like the world outside of my 16th century bubble..."
...she typed on her 21st Century computer (developed by a 20th C. Atheist homosexual, Alan Turing), onto a 21st C. website (invented by the Unitarian Universalist Tim Berners-Lee), via the 21st C. internet (invented in the 20th C. via the DoD's ARPANET; spread further via telecommunications satellites, devised by the 20th C. Sci-Fi author and technological visionary - and Atheist - Arthur C. Clarke).
Sorry to burst your bubble, B4G, but that's how the technology - via Progress - biscuit crumbles, I'm afraid.
But then, like your 16th C., your words don't even exist - as the T4C forum itself is deader than the Dodo. >:D
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