The State of Scientific Research on Intelligent Design
I keep getting asked about the scientific research projects underway that relate to Darwinism and intelligent design. So why aren't we talking more about them publicly? For several good reasons:
The most important is that the Darwinist establishment would like nothing better than to "out" research programs before they are finished. The idea is to shut down damaging evidence as early as possible. Strangle the infant in the crib. Demand answers now to questions still being explored.
Paranoia? Hardly. There are too many examples of ID scientists and other scholars who have been hassled and harassed by the Darwinist Inquisition. [...]
As for foes and critics who pester us for information about research now underway and who insinuate that, unless we oblige them, we must accept their opinion that such research is not happening, we owe them nothing.
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IF there were any real ID research going on, wouldn't you be proud to enlighten us heathens about it? Oh, you can't. Either put up or shut up. Or, preferably, just shut up.
Do you know why there are too many examples of ID "scientists" and other "scholars" who have been hassled and harassed by the "Darwin Inquisition?"
Unless and until you can give us real, verifiable results, we are going to continue to hound you, because you idiots are trying to puch this bullshit in schools.
I'm glad someone else submitted this; I was too busy to get to it yesterday.actual science , and that fact alone speaks volumes.
~David D.G.
"So why aren't we talking more about them publicly? For several good reasons:Translation: "We don't have but a few 'research' projects and none of them is yielding any results that support our positions."
"The idea is to shut down damaging evidence as early as possible. Strangle the infant in the crib. Demand answers now to questions still being explored."
Translation: "We don't want to have those who understand and accept the ToE treat our assertions as we treat theirs."
"Paranoia? Hardly. There are too many examples of ID scientists and other scholars who have been hassled and harassed by the Darwinist Inquisition."
Translation: "Paranoia, you bet. The few actual scientist we have on our side have produced nothing to support our assertions, so we're going to fall back on our old claim of persecution."
"As for foes and critics who pester us for information about research now underway and who insinuate that, unless we oblige them, we must accept their opinion that such research is not happening, we owe them nothing."
Translation: "The world should accept our assertions without evidence. Those asking us for evidence are abusive and intrusive. Bad them. They are evil."
And of course, once you do have your research completed you will present your data to accredited scientific bodies for them to analize your methods, results, and conclusions. Right?
There are too many examples of ID scientists and other scholars who have been hassled and harassed by the Darwinist Inquisition.
I keep getting asked about the scientific research projects underway that relate to Darwinism and intelligent design. So why aren't we talking more about them publicly? For several good reasons:"
"The State of Scientific Research on Darwinism
The idea is to shut down damaging evidence as early as possible. Strangle the infant in the crib. Demand answers now to questions still being explored. your "science". Whoops. Gotta love that imagery of strangling an infant in its crib, associating evolution with baby murderers.
There are too many examples of ID scientists and other scholars who have been hassled and harassed by the Darwinist Inquisition.
Oh the sublime irony of using a Christian terror incident (Inquisition) to claim persecution from science .
"There are too many examples of ID scientists and other scholars who have been hassled and harassed by the Darwinist Inquisition. [...]"
20 years, and not a single successful research program? Maybe you should consider that you're barking (mad) up the wrong tree...scientists would do.
Just thought you should know, since none of you morons know a damned thing about what scientists would or would not do.
So some research is being done in secret, by someone, somewhere and it isn't finished yet.
The State of Scientific Research on Intelligent Design I keep getting asked about the scientific research projects underway that relate to Darwinism and intelligent design.
That's because you've never presented any results, nor given any indication that you're doing any research.
So why aren't we talking more about them publicly?
Because you don't have them.
For several good reasons:
This'll be good. Let me get the notebook where I write down the lame excuses I hear. This'll probably be much better than "the god ate my homework."
The most important is that the Darwinist establishment would like nothing better than to "out" research programs before they are finished.
What do you mean, "Darwinist establishment?" There are no idealogical establishments in science. Biologists accept evolution because it's got the evidence to back it up and no one's ever disproved it, not because they've got some devotion to the idea.
As for outing your research before it's finished so what? Scientists always talk about their work before it's finished. In order to publish it at all, they must show it to other scientists. (It's called peer review, not that you'd know.)
If you're worried someone might find out about your research before it's done, it's because you know it hasn't produced any results but intend to lie about it. If someone finds out about your research, they'll check your facts.
Or maybe it's because you simply have no research. That's the more likely option.
The idea is to shut down damaging evidence as early as possible. Strangle the infant in the crib. Demand answers now to questions still being explored.
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I mean seriously. Do you really think that scientists are just nuts pushing an agenda? Actually, I'm pretty sure you do. That makes you a fundie. (Or maybe a conspiracy theorist)
Paranoia?
Yes. Get thee to a shrinkery!
Hardly.
You think all scientists are engaged in an evil conspiracy to suppress your idea because your idea is the Acme Truth. That is generally called "paranoia." Or maybe something a little more serious.
There are too many examples of ID scientists and other scholars who have been hassled and harassed...
Yet you can't name any of them. Scientists who are "hassled and harrassed" for believing in intelligent design are as nonexistent as ID "research."
Just so you know, an intelligent design promoter who writes an article, submits it to a peer-reviewed scientific journal, and gets laughed out of the building is not being "hassled or harassed." The scientists could have been a little more polite in that example, but they were perfectly justified in not publishing bilge in a journal devoted to science. A biology professor who believes in intelligent design and denies evolution without evidence to support his position who is denied tenure is not being "hassled or harassed" either. A biology teacher who rejects the central underlying principle of biology without a good reason is probably incompetent.
...by the Darwinist Inquisition.
It's ironic that you use the term "inquisition." The real Inquisition was run by the religious to suppress fact. You're suggesting that a new "inquisition" is being run by the people who accept fact to suppress the religious.
The fact is, you have to be crazy or openly lying if you say there's an inquisition run by scientists. Science is the least conspiratorial, least rigid, most open area there is. In science, every idea is open and fair game to be attacked and questioned by anyone with a legitimate criticism. (Note the word "legitimate.") In science, there are no holy tenets, no ideas held to be unquestionable, and no answers you're not allowed to propose, although if they're not backed up by evidence, they'll be shot down. In science, there is no authority with sway over what hypotheses should be proposed. The ideas of even the most famous, well-known, and successful scientist are only as good as the evidence that supports them. Einstein himself believed in a steady state universe rather than a universe expanding from a big bang, and was eventually proven wrong. Because science is open, it can correct its mistakes. If you think scientists have made a mistake, you're free to try and correct them. You'll just need the evidence to back up your points.
Not only is science completely open, scientists can become famous by disproving widely accepted ideas. Here's a little excersize for you. Isaac Newton developed laws of classical mechanics. He believed that they applied to motion throughout the universe, exactly the same in all situations, in an objective sense.
Name a scientist who became famous for confirming classical mechanics or some aspect of them. Hmm? Can you?
Name a scientist who became famous for disproving classical mechanics or some aspect of them. Easy: Einstein, who came up with relativity, showing that time, length, and mass are relative depending on the observer.
Suggesting that there is a conspiracy among scientists to suppress a fact is like suggesting there is a conspiracy among lottery winners to suppress the idea that the lottery can be won.
As for foes and critics who pester us for information about research now underway and who insinuate that, unless we oblige them, we must accept their opinion that such research is not happening...
You claim that you're doing research.
Yet you have no results, you can describe no experiments, you can't even give us the topic of your research, and you insist that it's all in secret because of an evil conspiracy. Meanwhile, you push your ideas into schools and try to convince the uneducated public while ignoring scientists as best you can. You mention research only when scientists come to you and ask for evidence that your ideas are correct.
I think it's reasonable to conclude that you are not doing any research.
...we owe them nothing.
On the contrary.
You are trying to convince the public that you're right, you're trying to push your ideas into public schools, you've sunk the Dover school system $1,000,000 in debt because you wanted them to teach your ideas, and you grouse and whine and complain that scientists don't take you seriously. You owe us a viable theory of intelligent design.
Mr. Chapman, here's something I need you to answer. Is the research allegedly being performed by the Discovery Institute on intelligent design being funded by the public, or not?do owe us results, or at least some kind of report.
If it's not funded by the public, then there's nothing anyone can do to stop you. You're accountable only to the organization that funds you. Releasing the details of your research would stop your critics dead in their tracks, and there's nothing they could do. It's not like they could take away your funding.
So why can't you give us the details? The only reasons to keep your alleged research secret is that it doesn't support (or outright disproves) intelligent design, or that you're not really doing any research.
Ah, Bruce Chapman. I'm glad to meet another friend in Christ, even if only on the Internet. Mr. Chapman, we truly are partners. Our work fits together perfectly while you try to promote the intelligence of God, I try to promote the love of Christ. Both of us are having the same problems fighting agains the evil atheist scientific inquisition.
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