[about apostates]
So what would be the most reliable source? The Bible. No convert to Christianity has ever left the faith. The church is a group of believers.
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Wrong. and I was a true, born again, accepted Jesus, etc etc. I eventually realised I was deluding myself. But I did give it a go, I wonder how many fundies can say the same about agnosticism/atheism/using their own brain.
I can see this one coming. There is an automatic "no true scotsman" built into this one. "No true convert has ever left the faith, if he has left the faith, then he wasn't a true convert." Sounds kinda like why Catholics burned heretics in the 13th century. Of course if you replaced Christian with Muslim and Bible with Koran, you would get another kind of(just as cocksure) fundie.
Riiiiiiight, I was an atheist who believed Jesus died for my sins, or a Christian who believed that Jesus never existed.
Got to love that fundie logic.
As a follower of Christian philosophy, I have never found reason to refer to the bible for anything. My position is validated in that the Gospel of Thomas, which I have only recently encountered, is congruent with the conclusions at which I have independently arrived.
My only real prejudice is against those willfully ignorant "believers" who use schizoid scripture as justification.
Do you wish immortality? You must demonstrate your own spirit's superiority to the retarded god of Abraham...which is not difficult at all.
That, ddkev, is apostasy.
Welcome to spiritual freedom.
If a christian becomes an atheist or converts to another religion, then they were never a true christian (TM).
If a non-christian converts to christianity, then they've found their way to the one true god.
Heads I win, tails you lose.
The Bible is a Jewish book, so, you fail. And by the way, don't you realise that any religion is a group of believers?. If there were not Christians who leave the faith, why is there a name to define them?. It's the true Scotchman fallacy gone wild.
Um. I left the faith.
Something I have noticed in my own life is... I know a lot of people who are atheists, pagans, or other minor religions who used to be Christians. But... I have not met many Christians that used to be anything else even though I've know far more Christians.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's thinking that if you truly and properly embraced Christianity, then even if you departed, and consciously thought yourself no longer a Christian, there's still a strand still swearing absolute fealty to Jesus, reading to bring you back to the straight and narrow path. (I'm thinking of the whole "perseverance of the saints" situaton)
Although it doesn't say much for the power of free will, somehow...
L. O. L.
Buy a newspaper, champ.
The church is a group of believers.
O RLY?
Mark 16:18
Drink the bleach, drink the bleach, drink the bleach, drink the bleach :)
Don't actually drink bleach kids, It'll kill you.
Well I was raised in a semi-pagan household (you know, like some families believe that Christianity is true but don't really practice it or go to church? Its like that only with psychics, healings, homeopathy, angel like gods watching over you) and then I converted to Christianity during a hard time in my life, and then slowly left it as I read the bible and really thought about it. I am now an atheist.
Not only did many leave some convert to Islam or Jewish faiths or cults that worship the leader.
Did you know cults are made up of former Christians? Atheists are very unlikely to be swayed by people claiming to be Godlike, we're damn near immune to their rhetoric. Christians on the other hand are already pre-indoctrinated to follow without question.
Most the Death cults have been Christian spin-off sects.
Y'know. like any Christian religion after Catholicism. Cults
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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