IUD as well as the morning after pill are not rights! We live in a country of FREEDOM of Religious beliefs, Correct? I am a pharmacist and took an oath to CARE and PROTECT, not kill the unborn. I support the Nurse as caring for her patient and the right of the unborn. I did not sign up to be an ABORTIONIST when receiving my pharmacy degree, as I am sure this nurse did not as well! She can educate the patient to NFP, the NATURAL way for all of you environmentalists!!! It's uninvasive and purely natural!
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Fine. But make sure you open your own pharmacy where it is clearly stated that you will not provide birth control. Don't go to any other pharmacy, like a grocery store or school one or whatever, because people expect to have access to those medical options at those. You can do whatever you want when you own your own business, but until then, man up and follow the rules of the organization you agreed to work for.
No, dickhead, you signed up to count pills and inform patients of side effects of their medications. THAT'S IT. NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR PERSONAL OPINIONS OR YOUR FUCKING RELIGION. If you or any other healthcare worker tries to inflict your horrid religion on me you'll be the one needing a prescription for pain after I knock your fucking teeth down your throat. AND THEN I'll sue you and take everything you own and everything you ever hope to have. DO YOUR FUCKING JOB AND SHUT UP ABOUT IT, OR WE'LL HAVE YOU FIRED AND FIND SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T WHINE ABOUT GOD.
"IUD as well as the morning after pill are not rights!"Right to privacy, bitch.
"We live in a country of FREEDOM of Religious beliefs, Correct?"Correct, but you can't trample over anyone else's right to seek medical care.
"I am a pharmacist and took an oath to CARE and PROTECT, not kill the unborn."You're a fucking PHARMACIST and you don't even KNOW how IUDs and the morning-after pill WORKS?! Please quit your job and become something useful, like a hooker.
"I did not sign up to be an ABORTIONIST when receiving my pharmacy degree"IUDs and the pill AREN'T TOOLS FOR ABORTION! They're not cutting up fetuses and sucking out the brain matter! They PREVENT the sperm from fertilizing the egg and at MOST they kill clumps of fucking CELLS!
@clockworkgirl,
IUDs and morning after pills arent' abortions. If they have these strong ridiculous beliefs they shouldn't get jobs in the first place where it may become an issue. I've never been able to pick and choose the parts of my job that I wanted to do, I don't see any reason why these losers should be able to.
IUD's are most often used by women who have a child, are brestfeeding, and don't want a Chemical in their body. I got one because my fundie ex would take away my birth control, there was no way in hell I was bringing a child into that hell hole.
Morning after pills are used by rape victims and people whose condom broke or something along that line.
I don't get this bullshit of getting a job and then not doing it because of moral questions. I became an accountant, discovered I didn't like it and moved into a career in IT. I didn't try to make the accounting world bend to me. If you become a pharmacist, you hand out drugs. If you become a taxi driver, you're going to end up with a dog in your car at some time. If you don't like the idea FIND ANOTHER JOB
The whole topic is stupid. Imagine being worried about protecting fertilized eggs because they are 'life' and not at all worried about the lives of those who we go to war against. And invariably, the fundies will say "well, babies are innocent and brown people are terrorist" or some equivalent, in other words, they are literally judging who is worthy of living and dying. Protecting the 'unborn' requires NO action but finger pointing and blaming, and protecting those who we decide are not human (though they seem to be sentient bipedals) carries considerable personal risk.
"Natural family planning (NFP) is a term referring to the family planning methods approved by the Roman Catholic Church. In accordance with the requirements for sexual behavior in keeping with the dignity of the human person, as maintained by this church, NFP excludes the use of contraception, as well as acts intended to end in orgasm outside the context of intercourse.
Periodic abstinence and the natural infertility caused by breastfeeding are the only methods deemed moral for avoiding pregnancy. When used to avoid pregnancy, NFP limits sexual intercourse to naturally infertile periods: during infertile portions of the menstrual cycle, during pregnancy, or after the menopause. Several methods may be used to identify whether a woman is likely to be fertile, which NFP users make use of to either try to avoid or to achieve pregnancy."
Yeah, that's a totally reasonable alternative to contraceptives.
NFP, or Natural Family Planning, is a modern version of the Rhythm Method. As such, it's not foolproof. If you want proof of it's ineffectiveness as birth control, I offer my existence. My parents practiced it.
@Fangirl
Then you politely decline, and refer the patient to someone who will care for her, then. And you're not killing any unborn, you're helping prevent the woman from getting pregnant in the first place. And in the case of Birth Control, not necessarily even that, as people do take it for reasons other than the ability to go out, and fuck the entire town with reckless abandon. And as for NFP...yeah, that's been proven to be so much more effective.
@ Berny: I ripped that straight from Wikipedia, as I actually had to look up NFP in the first place because I'd never heard of it. It sounds like an absolute load of crock, though.
Not to mention, it seems like utter bullshit that a couple, even a married one, would have to regulate their lovelife into nonexistence just to avoid an unwanted baby.
"We live in a country of FREEDOM of Religious beliefs, Correct?"
Yes, so why do christians think that freedom applies only to them?
NFP doesn't work. Plan B =/= "abortion.
And, YOU ARE NOT A DOCTOR, AND HAVE NO PLACE MAKING MEDICAL DECISIONS FOR ANYONE BUT YOURSELF. A woman's prescriptions are LEGAL, and you, as a pharmacist, are LEGALLY BOUND TO DO YOUR FUCKING JOB.
Can't hack it?
Find another job.
Too bad, you signed up to provide what the patients ask for, without reason, If your religious beliefs hinder you from doing your job, GET A DIFFERENT JOB!
WMD: If you use it correctly (which I honestly don't trust these people to, they breed too much...) it does. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fertility_Awareness_Method#Effectiveness )
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@DevilsChaplain
"You're a fucking PHARMACIST and you don't even KNOW how IUDs and the morning-after pill WORKS?! Please quit your job and become something useful, like a hooker."
This fucking made my day. =D
"IUD as well as the morning after pill are not rights!"
Then neither are vaccines, antibiotics, AIDS medication, Chemotherapy, anti-depressants, and every other medication
"We live in a country of FREEDOM of Religious beliefs, Correct?"
Correct. The United States is a country where people can choose to worship in whatever way they choose, OR, they are free to NOT worship any deity.
"I am a pharmacist and took an oath to CARE and PROTECT, not kill the unborn. I support the Nurse as caring for her patient and the right of the unborn. I did not sign up to be an ABORTIONIST when receiving my pharmacy degree, as I am sure this nurse did not as well! She can educate the patient to NFP, the NATURAL way for all of you environmentalists!!! It's uninvasive and purely natural!"
You have every right to your personal beliefs. However, when a patient comes with a prescription for any type of medication or contraceptive, she has a right to have that prescription filled. You can tactfully inform the patient that you personally filling that prescription out goes against your conscience (Don't preach or be a douche-bag). Then you can direct her to a co-worker who does not have your particular views.
NFP is a pain in the ass. It has the woman track her basal body temp. This is her body temp right after she wakes up, before getting out of bed. She tracks this for a month, and when her temp rises, it means she might be ovulating. She also tracks her cervical mucus. Thickness and color and such. Yummy, right? When it is a certain color it means she might be ovulating. This method is mostly used by women TRYING to get pregnant, not avoiding it. Its a pain in the ass and not accurate. Please die.
One of my 8th grade teachers used to ask us repeatedly
These are the type of people that will say: "Piercings are bad. I don't want to have a piercing. I don't want to have someone mess with the body god gave me." then be personally offended when seeing another person having it. It's the same thing on the n-th degree. I've never understood them.
"She can educate the patient to NFP, the NATURAL way for all of you environmentalists!!!"
Well this would work awesome for me. It would totally counteract the extra male hormones my body produces (not to mention the excessive bleeding and the horrible 3-week per month (give or take since I would never know when it's going to show) cramping it causes). Please. It's not YOUR job to decide what medication I take, you don't even know what I'm taking it for (though of course you assume you do), that's between me and my doctor.
Oh, I meant to address this:
Yes. Your right stops where mine starts, and vice versa. Not you have the right to make everyone do as you want. Got it?
If I cannot get the medication I am prescribed at a certain pharmacy, I complain to the pharmacist's employer. Most of these are private companies, like Wal-Mart, which sanctions and protects its pharmacists who refuse to do their jobs because of their religion. Therefore, I don't shop at Wal-Mart and neither does anyone who loves me. There are plenty of other places to get my meds.
The nurse in question I assume is the one who keeps "accidentally" removing her patients' IUDs and then launching into a prepared speech, while the patient is still naked on the table, about how IUDs are actually murder and now that the IUD is gone the patient can go on birth control pills instead. She also makes it clear that she has no intention of correcting her "mistake" by reinserting the IUD. Supposedly the bitch hasn't been fired yet. THAT is what I have a problem with. THAT is invasion of privacy, medical malpractice, not to mention fucking battery.
I'm going to tell you this nice and slow.
I. Need. My. Birth. Control.
Not for pregnancy avoidance. I honestly would not mind either way on that, as i want kids. I need my pills because my periods make me so ill, i nearly die of dehydration every three weeks. I'm not exaggerating. I can do nothing but vomit and be in horrific for a week.
People who get the morning-after pill need it. Rape victims, for example. Oh, yeah, did you know a nine-year-old can get pregnant? But by all means, refuse someone medical care because you don't know how it works.
You claim to be a pharmacist and yet you don't know how IUDs and morning after pills work? Also, women who want those things cannot be denied them on the basis of your idiotic beliefs, or you will be fired. Now do your job and shut up.
Educate them? You? Let's try a little logic.
--- If you come to the pharmacy for a "morning after" pill, it's too late to try "natural family planning".and finding out that you don't know what you're talking about and getting your pharmacist's license revoked. Take your religious freedom back to church to exercise it, and find another line of work.
You live in a country with Human Rights, which include women's rights to their own bodies. You can't force a person to donate blood, and you can't force a person to carry an embryo/fetus to term either.
If you're a pharmacist, you ought to know that neither IUD nor the morning-after-pill can kill any unborn, as both work by stopping the egg and sperm from meeting in the first place.
Rights of living, breathing, feeling people will always trump potential life, or the vegetative non-life of the brain-dead.
NFP kills just as many unborn as IUDs and morning-after-pills do, dolt. None, that is.
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