[Regarding a comment "jesus is dead and remains dead. jesus is not god."]
The second proposition in that quote "Jesus is not God", interestingly, affirms God's existence.
Were I to say Eddie is not a tea kettle I affirm the reality of tea kettles. If that reality were not at least implicitly affirmed, the proposition would be a pointless absurdity.
What sense would it make to say Eddie is not X, when X represents something that isn't? Therefore, when you say Jesus is not God, you affirm God's being by saying he (God) is something that Jesus is not.
Why would you, or any rational person say Jesus is not something that isn't?
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Eddie is not a unicorn. UNICORNS EXIST!!!!
... and kreriver is not stupid.
What sense would it make to say Eddie is not X, when X represents something that isn't?
If X doesn't exist, "Eddie is not X" not only makes sense but is always true.
Your argument is based on a flawed assumption, viz. that there's always a correspondence between the existence of a word and the existence of what that word denotes. LANGUAGE DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY.
Words for things that no longer exist and that have never existed are still part of the language. Using them does not mean you believe they are real THINGS, only that they are real WORDS. If I say "This is a lizard, not a dragon" to a child who thought it was a dragon, I'm not implying that dragons exist or even that I believe in them. Just that there is a word "dragon" that describes a specific concept "supernatural large reptile."
That's an impressive leap of logic, there. If I say "Steve is not an alien" does that prove the existence of extraterrestrial life?
@Capt. Obvious -- That's dangerously close to Schroedinger's Cat...
So by this same logic...
I am God! >:D
No, Jesus, if he did even exist, was one of the many things which were/are not God. Everything else was/is not God either.
The second proposition in that quote "Jesus is not God", interestingly, affirms God's existence.
lol grasping at straws
But yeah, it affirms the existence of the concept of God, but not the existence of the real thing itself.
kreriver's definitely got us on that one. I can't find a single hole in the logic. For example, Eddie is not Superman. You see how I just affirmed the existence of . .
. . .oh shit, kreriver, what just happened?
EDIT: I need to read the posts before I contribute; everyone beat me to it.
The fantastic contortions of the brain-dead in a desperate attempt to prop-up their ridiculous propositions is absolutely fascinating to behold, if somewhat unedifying.
You, kreriver, have provided us with a prime example of said contortions, where words mean whatever you want them to, at the time of use, with the end result being a morass of verbiage and meaningless drivel.
It is beholden on you, if you wish to communicate with with your betters, that is, people who have at least a modicum of education, howsoever achieved, to educate yourself. Otherwise, you will forever appear as the completely clueless moron that you currently seem to be.
The ball is in your court you lazy cunt. Learn on.
"I am not a six-footed green unicorn"
Now that I know this creature is real, I only have to find him...
What sense would it make to say Eddie is not X, when X represents something that isn't? Therefore, when you say Jesus is not God, you affirm God's being by saying he (God) is something that Jesus is not.
idea of a god. As others have pointed out here, if I say I am not the Tooth Fairy, it means that I affirm the idea of a being that leaves money under the pillows of small children in exchange for their teeth, and that I am not that being. It does not mean that there is actually such a being as a Tooth Fairy.
If I say that "Jesus is not God," I am saying that I understand the concept of "God" (ie, the being described in the Bible), and I am rejecting the comparison of Jesus (assuming, for the sake of argument, that that person actually existed), with that concept. I can just as easily say, "Jesus is not Harry Potter," which will have the same effect, and does not necessitate Harry Potter having existed in reality.
"The second proposition in that quote "Jesus is not God", interestingly, affirms God's existence"
I'd sure like to know how.
"Were I to say Eddie is not a tea kettle I affirm the reality of tea kettles"
I am not a cyclops. There. I just proved the existence of the cyclops. Hey, this is fun! I wonder what else I can prove exists like this. Does it work the opposite way, too? I am a god. Wow, see there? I just proved god doesn't exist. There. Glad we got that settled.
I was going to say. "Jesus is not a glarbuuuk, glarbuuuks must exist."
Holy cow, you just unmade god?!?!?!
Damn, I wanted to do that...
No
Jesus is not the savior of our sins
Because there is no savior of our sins
Logic is simple most the time
Jesus is not an invisible pink unicorn on a unicycle.
This is fun. I do hope I haven't just affirmed the existence of the Old Ones, cos now we're all fucked.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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