Avoid -- I watched this show the other night and I was appalled. The character Jack (played by an actor who went to my college) especially is bad because he is the "funniest" gay character and is therefore the most appealing to young children. Also, he is played by a handsome young man, ...I fought to suppress my attraction to him. I am a reformed homosexual who is now married to a wonderful woman, and people like me don't need such horrible filth on TV to tempt us back into sin.
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Is this guy talking about Pirates of the Caribbean? And yeah, I agree with ladyBaird , if you are still tempted, then you aren't "reformed". I wonder how often he pesters his wife to let him take her up the butt?
The show they are talking about Will and Grace, hardly a children's show. Oh and Eric, if you are attracted to Jack on that show, you sir are a homosexual.
No, you're a coward who won't stand up for what's right. But that's a separate issue. What's really important is: don't have ANY children with your beard...err "wife". For the love of GOD don't destroy innocent childrens' lives with your self-loathing and sexual hangups! If you want to have a sham marriage with this deluded woman that's fine, you're only hurting eachother. But you'll inevitably fall in love with another man and eventually divorce your beard...err "wife". I've seen it many times.
Meatwaddle: I'm thinking the same thing. For all we know, he's a bi in denial.
And besides, why does homosexuality such a big deal for you while watching this? It's just a TV show, the farthest thing from reality there can be.
They always put nice handsome young men as the gay guys on TV. The gays are also always polite, sassy, fabulous, witty, and talented. This promotes the idea that it's fun and tempting to be a gay.
But in real life, gays are associated with a higher rate of anal disease, high rates of violent crimes against children and other such innocents, more racist tendencies, generally more greedy, and definately known for notorious public displays of affection (to include oral sex in front of children at their "parades").
Gays on TV should definately be displayed as balding middle-age fat men with bad dandruff. They should smoke cheap cigars and wear unfashionable clothing. And above all, they should be portrayed as ignorant and narrow-minded. This approach worked on "All in the Family" and we eliminated bigotry.
If you made the gays as unappealing as Archie Bunker, we'd see a decrease in gays to pre-1950 levels.
Careful EE, it sounds as if your personal closet door is closed but definitely not locked. One of these days Mr. Right is going to come along, turn the handle, and then finally you will be who you really are. My advice would be to stop pretending, be honest with yourself and your wife, and open the door on your own terms. I wish you all the luck and joy in the world.
=( "reforemd" gays make me so sad... why hurt yourself like that? You are only answerable to *yourself* Eric, not "God". So, you should do what makes you happy =( don't punish yourself for something that isn't wrong.
Sidenote: Madame Scarlet : seconded >.< Jack is cute, but Will is hot >.<
Reformed homosexual?
Sorry. I don't buy that one. You are a homosexual in denial. Or perhaps you are bisexual.
I don't take issue with your desire not to be homosexual. It's certain not easy having to swim against the stream through a whole lifetime.
What I would take issue is with people who tell you that you can 'cure'homosexuality.
The sad point is that at some point your living a lie will catch up with you. I have no idea how. But I believe it will. And what we suppress has the habit of emerging with volcanic force. So all the years of denial will not help. Rather they will provide the pressure for the eventual eruption.
I sincerely feel sorry for you and your wife. You are on a most dangerous path, psychologically.
BTW, what you call 'filth' is normal life for many very decent men and women. Show some respect for them. The time may come, post eruption, when such respect will be the only comfort you have left in life.
"Tempt" into sin?. Listen, if you have an issue with this guy is "your" sin. And you're still homosexual or bisexual. Don't put the blame somewhere else. In fact, you're confirming the fact that you can't be "cured" from homosexuality and that IT'S NOT A CHOICE. I'm woman and straight. They can show me Pamela Anderson, Scarlett Johanson and other species who the men find attractive. I don't have to "fight" to supress an attraction I don't feel. I see somebody like Brad Pitt or George Cloney and, man, things change completely but, as I told you, it's my problem, not theirs for being attractive(don't you see that the same would happen if the guy were straight in a straight sitcom?)
high rates of violent crimes against children and other such innocents, more racist tendencies, generally more greedy
and people like me don't need such horrible filth on TV to tempt us back into sin.
You know, I was pretty pissy for a few beats after reading this, but now, I kinda pity him. ten bucks says he's not a "reformed homosexual" out of his own desires (originally) but rather out of pressure from the loved ones that should have supported him. Either way, though, this man has opted to live a life where he'll never truly be fulfilled, and god help him if he starts to falter in his indoctrination, as he'll start looking for dangerous loopholes. It's not gay if he blows me. It's not gay I don't get fucked. It's not gay if I'm drunk at the time. it's not gay if I don't use a condom. I've heard the song.
At the beginning, this man had my rage. Now he has my pity.
I'm not gonna be confused anymore just because you say I should be! My name is Butters, I'm eight years old, I'm blood type O, and I'm bicurious! And even that's okay! Because if I'm bicurious, and I'm somehow made from God, then I think your GOD must be a little bicurious himself!
If you're fighting to suppress attraction, well, that still means there's an attraction. Maybe he will admit that to himself one day.
Hopefully as time marches on the 'reformed' will see past that nonsense and accept themselves for who they are.
You don't touch your wife. I hope she has another lover, one who touches her like a woman should be touched, one who longs for her the way a woman should be longed for. She needs a real lover, who surrenders to her, hands extended as if in praise of God himself.
You need to stop lying, if your desire is for men, then that's the way it is. There's no helping it, and no need to be ashamed or proud, it's merely a state of being. Find a nice man, who treats you well, and whose company you enjoy. Then, with the moon above your heads, grind him into the baseline between the sheets until you and your lover, like your wife and hers, are in heaven.
Whatever channel is on, that's the one they watch.
BCD: Those child molesters? Overwhelmingly straight!
That's right, if you're going to put those filthy evil sick homosexuals on TV at least stop making them so damn sexy, it's just not fair.
I do feel bad though when this guy mentions the 'wonderful woman' he's married to. You can almost hear him trying to rationalise his marriage in his head, 'She's a wonderful person, any man would be happy to have her, I should be glad, she's a good person, she's kind, she's nice etc'
Eric, you poor, poor man. You've been duped by your church, big time, and I feel for ya bro.
And by the way, it's possible to be attracted to both men AND women, you know. I hear they even have a word for that ... although your pastor probably has no idea that "bisexuality" even exists.
A self-denying fool, but a honest fool.
The mad-eyed, self-righteous viciousness of the true fundie is missing.
1. Get a grip.
If it's who I think it is, I really don't find the actor who plays Jack on "Will & Grace" to be attractive at all.
And I love how Eric uses "reformed" to mean "brainwashed and repressed."
EDIT: Seeing your last post, I'm thinking it's the former, droogie.
@ Professor M & Martha Jones --
I don't care if Captain Jack is gay, bi, or "omnisexual". He is one HOT piece of the male species! His life partner is one lucky, lucky man. Oh, the old adage is true ... either married or gay ... and in John Barrowman's case ... both! ;->
I really pity this guy. If he has trouble resisting Jack, the divorce isn't far off...
Hey, Isn't there a really funny episode of Will&Grace about reformed gays? And Jack gets the leader to go shower with him?
Young children, like most people with good sense, find "Will & Grace" tedious. They do not care what happens in a fictional character's off-screen, fictional bedroom.
Looks like somone needs their closet door fixed.
Especially if they think Jack, of all W&G characters, is hot.
Hrm, if you are attracted to a man and to your wife, then you are bisexual, not homosexual. How can you be reformed homosexual, it's like being reformed left-handed or blue-eyed. Why fight to suppress your attraction? Even though you are married you are allowed to find other people attractive, it's the acting on that attraction that society frowns upon, not to mention your spouse.
I look at handsome men, and I'm not attracted to them. Thats called being a heterosexual male.
If you (as a "reformed" homosexual) look at handsome men and you're attracted to them, I have an interesting update for you...
If you are attracted to a man, then you are definitely NOT straight. You are either bi or gay. Stop pretending you aren't.
There's no such thing as ex-gay.
You know, as much as I'd love to hate these self-loathing closet-cases, it's really hard to. I pity them. Who knows, maybe I could have ended up like them if I lived under different circumstances.
That being said, EE, you are not straight, at all. Straight people don't experience any attraction to the same sex, at all. If you have to fight to suppress your attraction to another man you are not a reformed homosexual, you are a repressed one. You've done a terrible thing by dragging someone else into this, even if she was stupid enough to be okay with marrying a "reformed" homosexual. Now you are both trapped in a loveless marriage and no doubt you are both dealing with psychological torment and self-hatred, especially you. Please, just accept who you are and get a divorce so your wife can find someone who is actually romantically and sexually attracted to her. Even if you want to be a repressed closet case you should still get a divorce. Just live as a celibate single person. If you want to wallow in self hate that's fine, but you shouldn't be dragging this woman down with you. I'm hoping that by now you've accepted your homosexuality or at least separated from this woman. Good luck, I don't hate you and I wish you all the best. I hope you're not still living in the hell you created for yourself.
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