1. That any explanation of life either directly or indirectly indicates the existence of a spiritual (not limited by time) being or beings.
2. Genesis is an evolutionary account.
3. The prophecies in the Bible are (and many <Israel> already have) coming true. They are specific enough to be able to discern future events beyond any mathematical possibilities- NOT Nostradamos hindsight making facts try to fit imprecise generalizations.
I offer for your elucidation amessageforthehumanrace.
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Prophecies come true when written after the fact, or when you lie about events to conform to them. The messiah comes out of Bethlehem? Oops, better invent a census that never happened to explain a journey from Nazareth that never happened. The messiah comes out of Egypt? Oops, here we go again.
1. The explanation of life does no such thing.
2. Genesis does does not describe evolution. It is a Goddidit account.
3. NOT Nostradamos hindsight making facts try to fit imprecise generalizations.
Nostradamos and the bible have a lot in common, actually.
1. "Directly or indirectly indicate": which means maybe, which in turn means you are just guessing and could not prove a word.
2. Either you don't understand the hogwash in Genesis or you don't understand evolution.
3. Oh, you mean like the one that says "one day, there will be a nation."? Well, I told the waitress this morning I wanted a coffee, and three minutes later, she came back with a cup of coffee! Vegas here I come.
They are specific enough to be able to discern future events beyond any mathematical possibilities- NOT Nostradamos hindsight making facts try to fit imprecise generalizations.
Oh? Name one "prophecy" that the bible made which isn't an attempt by followers at shoehorning current events to fit ancient prophecy. And please explain the obviously wrong prediction about Tyre.
And if the bible is specific enough to discern future events, tell us who's going to win the 2016 presidential election. And why didn't the bible predict WWII or 9/11?
Nostradamos actually had some hits, it's interesting that we point to his wins as actual historical events with some details.
The New Testament Bible CLAIMS Old testament predictions came true without providing any evidence, worse than hindsight, neverwasing, storytelling.
1. Why? There's no evidence for spiritual beings like there is for physical ones and they seem to be doing quite well without them.
Israel is your best example? Israel was created specifically because the prophecy that it will come back exists. That's like the head of the CIA reading the Lord of the Rings, making a cloaking device activated by a remote signal from a ring and then proclaiming Lord of the Rings to be prophecy. And copying the deign of the communicator from Star Trek does not make Star Trek prophecy. However, to disprove divine prophecy, all one has to do is look in Israel's immediate neighborhood to see that Tyre is still alive and kicking to this day.
The Nile River has never dried up. Egypt has not been a desolate wasteland for 40 years. Tyre was not permanently destroyed as predicted, and it wasn't even destroyed by the person predicted.
@Lemonaidemon,
It gets worse, actually. The Torah never predicted the messiah would come out of Egypt. The full context of the passage went something like this: "When Israel was a child, I loved him. Out of Egypt I called my son", basically referring back to the alleged Exodus. Most of the "fulfilled" prophecies fit into this category, such as Isaiah's virgin birth prophecy that might not have been a virgin and had already come true a few verses later.
"1. That any explanation of life either directly or indirectly indicates the existence of a spiritual (not limited by time) being or beings."
"Being" = Alive. You have either described an Infinite Regression Vortex or a, "Thus I am my own Grandpa" paradox. Care to choose?
"2. Genesis is an evolutionary account."
Concrete is part of a nutritious breakfast.
"3. The prophecies in the Bible are (and many (Israel) already have) coming true. They are specific enough to be able to discern future events beyond any mathematical possibilities- NOT Nostradamos hindsight making facts try to fit imprecise generalizations."
Confirmation bias, coupled with denial. "And lo, it came to pass...." is code for, "The whole damn thing was written after the fact." Soothsayers made damn good money for no work in those days, and mostly knew better than to be too specific. Do you believe in fortune cookies too? Why not? Same use of language.
Edit: @ Doubting Thomas
"And please explain the obviously wrong prediction about Tyre."
It was destroyed, but they had a spare.
1. Only if we get to make up bullshit on the spot.
2. I don't think you understand what evolution is.
3. Maybe you shouldn't mention other bullshit oogie-boogie fortune tellers with your own lest people connect the dots.
You're a dumbass.
"That any explanation of life either directly or indirectly indicates the existence of a spiritual (not limited by time) being or beings."
Walk us through how you've demonstrated this to be true, please.
Tell you what, start with the following explanation and show us how it indicates the existence of a spiritual being or beings:
"Life arose without direction entirely by means of non-intelligent, non-directed, and non-goal oriented natural mechanisms."
So, the Bible prophesied the creation of a secular republic where theocratic kingdoms once existed? And how is it that many of the prophecies in the Bible were supposed to have been fulfilled thousands of years ago, often before the words in question had been reduced to writing?
Confused?
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