The truth tends to reveal itself over time. Over the last ten years, I've observed that the intrinsically anti-freedom authoritarianism of feminism is increasingly out in the open. At this point, only those who aren't paying attention can still pretend to buy into the idea that feminism and women's rights are even remotely compatible with Western civilization or resemble anything that the Western intellectual tradition would consider legitimate rights.
That is the true heart of feminism. As I wrote when I pointed out that feminists are sub-civilized: "This is what the feminist's vaunted concept of equality means. This is what it has always meant: the legal protection of a woman from all and any consequences of her actions. This includes a woman's ability to break any contract at will, to steal from anyone as she pleases, and murder even the most innocent without having to even hear a whisper of protest to make her uncomfortable."
Barbara helpfully adds an element that I neglected to include, which is that women "should be able to make you not offend" them. Being intellectually incoherent and unjustifiable in the eyes of every rational observer, feminism is necessarily an ideology of force. This is why it has to be resisted every bit as strenuously as other such ideologies, including communism and National Socialism.
And a science fiction that cannot be sexist or minority-phobic is not science fiction at all, but a dogmatically limited sub-genre in which all literary value is necessarily subservient to ideological whimsy.
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Ever hear this one, Vox?
"Opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one, and they all stink." - Attribution unknown.
The freedom to write a controversial story does not guarantee the freedom from criticism. I direct your attention to Farnham's Freehold by Robert Heinlein, and its reception by the literary public.
"...anti-freedom authoritarianism..."
Yeah, this is coming from a guy who'd clap and cheer if laws were passed requiring women to marry at 13, have ten children, have sex on command and stay at home licking their husbands' boots, and banning them from working outside the home or marrying non-white men.
Anything written by this guy instantly earns a WTF from me.
@Filin de Blanc: I found one of them on Amazon and it actually had fairly good reviews. Of course, this could just be the sycophants of Vox Popoli talking, but talented people having facepalm-inducingly awful views isn't anything new (see: Eric Clapton, guitar genius and massive racist).
Funny, the stronger feminism gets in a third world country, the closer that country comes towards Western-like civilization.
Feminism is all about women having the same legitimate rights as men do, AND men having the same legitimate rights as women do. Feminism IS necessarily an ideology of force, sadly, because small and insecure men like you fear equality and believe that when women have the same rights as you do, they won't want anything to do with you. Men who are secure in themselves have no problem with women having the same rights as them, as they know that if they treat women with decency and respect, they will be treated the same way in return.
You really like to hear yourself talk don't you? Why don't you just say what you mean instead of trying to impress people with your vocabulary.
By the way, you're wrong. Most women just want to be treated equally.
@ohjohnno: clapton ain't the only one. knopfler is borderline racist, zakk wilde iirc is incredibly nice despite being very devout personally, ozzy is explosive (well, him and sharon) yet still works, keith richards would as soon shoot you as jam with you, jagger's ego-tripping to immortality... yup, they're all humans.
Nobody wants to read science fiction written by you Vox so I'd beg to differ.
In a way you're right though, even Star Trek contains racist and sexist elements, but unlike your world it strives to overcome those failings when they're presented.
"At this point, only those who aren't paying attention can still pretend to buy into the idea that feminism and women's rights are even remotely compatible with Western civilization or resemble anything that the Western intellectual tradition would consider legitimate rights."
So, you're agruing that rights for women are incompatible with western civilization!? You're an idiot and an a$$hole.
"COMMIES AND NAZIS AND THEREFORE FEMINISM BAD!"
That's all you really had to say, Vox, and it still makes just as much sense as your several paragraphs on the subject.
I like how he's spouting the very same bullcrap that was believed by the people who flew airliners into a few buildings 12 years ago...
It's almost like he hates Western Civilization as much as they did...
Science fiction has to be offensive and sexist or it's not science fiction?
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over?
Gee. Have feminists been advocating women being allowed to break contracts, steal and murder? I guess I haven't been paying attention. Otherwise, I could get my wife to cancel our mortgage and steal us a new car!
women "should be able to make you not offend" them.
Women can't make you not offend them. They can make you not discriminate against them in the workplace, which includes treating them differently based on their gender. BTW, these rules apply equally to straight and homosexual people of either gender; they're not specific to men harassing women.
Vox Day, 12/09/2012 in WND :
"Christians and conservatives are world-class complainers about the current entertainment culture. Their complaints are entirely justified; there is a tremendous amount about which they can quite reasonably complain. Television is filled with perverse and immoral characters, the only reason representatives of some of the nation’s largest demographic groups appear on screens large and small is to be mocked, and the traditional virtues are openly despised and denigrated in the name of public entertainment.
The fact that these propagandist attacks on traditional culture and Christianity are made in the name of a false and nonexistent realism merely adds insulting their intelligence to the long list of the entertainment industry’s crimes against the American people."
Vox Day, 04/02/2013 on his own blog, facing criticism:
"And a science fiction that cannot be sexist or minority-phobic is not science fiction at all, but a dogmatically limited sub-genre in which all literary value is necessarily subservient to ideological whimsy."
So what is it now VD? Can fiction offend or can't it?
We have a proverb over here in evil socialist Land, "If you dish it out, you have to be able to take it ".
"This is why it has to be resisted every bit as strenuously as other such ideologies, including communism".
OH NO! People want everyone to be treated equally and have a decent way of life!
Another update from the alternate universe of Vox Day. Fascinating stuff. Must be a hellish, dystopian nightmare inside his brain though.
@Filin De Blanc:
On the contrary, sometimes people with no real grasp on reality can craft astonishing works of fiction. Case in point: read Ender's Game , and then read what author Orson Scott Card has written about homosexuality.
Not saying Vox is a good writer, just that being a bad blogger and a good writer aren't mutually incompatible.
I honestly don't understand how people like this can be so incredibly, hilariously divorced from reality, and yet still maintain enough of a connection with it that they don't starve to death or get hit by a bus as soon as they step outside their homes.
For all that I support freedom of speech, there are times when I really wish you could penalize people for utter, bald-faced lying through their teeth. Not by coincidence, a lot of those times are directly after hearing Vox...
I mean, some people don't like feminism. Fine. Some people think they would be materially inconvenienced by it. I get that. They're wrong, but we should let them say so. But this level of sheer making shit up is just... staggering. It's entirely beyond me how anyone could believe such a thing.
Also, science fiction has to be sexist and racist or it's not Real Science Fiction? This is news to me, also to the last fifty years of sci-fi (who I would think should know).
This includes a woman's ability to break any contract at will, to steal from anyone as she pleases, and murder even the most innocent without having to even hear a whisper of protest to make her uncomfortable.
Vox Day, like his father , has trouble understanding the legal system.
@Wehpudicabok:
On the contrary, sometimes people with no real grasp on reality can craft astonishing works of fiction. Case in point: read Ender's Game, and then read what author Orson Scott Card has written about homosexuality.
Yeah, at first I actually believed that this was about Card, since we had John C. Wright getting all butthurt about people criticizing Card a few quotes down. I had (mercifully) forgotten that Venereal Disease fancies itself a writer...
L. Ron Hubbard would be another example of a less-than-sane but successful writer, though I remember seeing speculations that his Mission Earth novels were ghostwritten.
"At this point, only those who aren't paying attention can still pretend to buy into the idea that feminism and women's rights are even remotely compatible with Western civilization or resemble anything that the Western intellectual tradition would consider legitimate rights. "
That's why we see cesspools of feminism in muslim countries. Women are walking around with short skirts and naked hair, having careers in upper management, while American women who still follow traditional values wear black bags with eyeholes. Sadly, the muslim behaviors are infecting American women, who earn their own money and are therefore not susceptible to control by men.
Now do you understand how full of shit you are?
Well, there is a flaw in your argument. If somebody were denied basic rights, were flouded with double standards that time and circunstances have deemed invalid beyond repair and somebody who would freak out at the idea of being applied to him pontifies about the need to implant them, well, don't expect to receive positive feedback. Your statements require a woman to see things with the optic of a man, if she wants to sacrifies things that men reclaim for themselves. Of course, you still can disagree but the same freedom you have to post that shit so have women to critisise your bullshit.
This guy's still around? How much hatred and idiocy can one person spew before they've finally had enough?
Go away, Vox Day! Take your raging misogyny somewhere else! We don't want it here!
Okay, this is so wrong in so many ways I'm gonna pick just one paragraph to take to task, the last one.
Play Mass Effect, @$$hole. In ME2/3, you have on your squad (DLC included):
Three or four human women (Miranda possibly Ashley, Jack, & Kasumi, who is Asian)
A black man (Jacob)
Two alien women (Samara/Morinth & Tali, the latter of whom is a member of a race that is seen in universe as effectively ME's version of all the non-conspiracy stereotypes of Jews)
An alien afflicted with terminal cancer (Thane)
Three bisexuals (Kaidan, Mordin, Liara)
A member of a race of robot aliens whose society is basically Communist (Legion)
And you know what? Mass Effect has plenty of literary value, more than many movies I've seen.
So you can f*ck off.
Whew! [/nerd rant]
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