I am sorry so many of you are locked in worldview prisons that keep you from seeing the awesome beauty of creation and the many signatures of the Designer. Fractals. Fibonacci numbers. DNA. The harmonics of specific atoms that allow for combinations friendly to life that would otherwise be rare. The wonderful behavior of water, whose properties are most unusual and therefore allow for life, most specifically that ice floats rather than sinks to the bottom of a body of water because when water freezes it takes more oxygen with it, thereby becoming a covering and insulator for bodies of water rather than falling to the bottom and leading to a deadly total freeze of water in cold climates.
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Fractals.
Idiot! A thousand times, idiot!
The whole fucking point of such things, and the reason that they astound people, is that they naturally arise from utter simplicity, and thus they do not need a goddamn creator!
"The harmonics of specific atoms that allow for combinations friendly to life that would otherwise be rare. The wonderful behavior of water, whose properties are most unusual and therefore allow for life, blah blah blah"
What about all those puddles that just by chance happened to fall into holes that fit them exactly?
How ironic, because religion is a worldview prison which keeps you locked into the idea of a designer or creator, and prevents you from understanding the universe without throwing that variable into the equation.
And you can talk about DNA, atoms, and how ice behaves all you want, but you can't prove that all these wouldn't act the same way without a designer.
"Ooh pretty, it musta been made that way! Ooh ugly, there is no God."
And that children, concludes today's lesson on 'logic- how not to do it'.
But, by definition, you cannot have uncontrovertable evidence of a supernatural creator and also faith in the same. Faith is belief without evidence. If you have evidence, you no longer have faith, you have knowledge. But that's just a small part of Radar's fail boat as his examples are in no way uncontrovertable:
Fractals. Fibonacci numbers.
Meh. So we found some mathematical oddities. There are tens of thousands of such. Some are practical, other pure novelty. Still no "signature of the Designer."
The wonderful behavior of water...
I like how he completely misses the forest for the trees with his "ice floats" description. I'm sure he's ignorant of the major ramifications of the 120 degree angle between the hydrogen atoms in the water molecule itself. I'd bet dollars to donuts he would dismiss this critical shape as "that's the way it is."
DNA.
That DNA is organized into "the blueprints for life" is not evidence of a creator. In the '50s, Stan Miller and Harold Urey showed that amino acids can be produced from methane, amonia, hydrogen and water vapor when an electric arc is introduced. There is lots of stored energy in the universe from the Big Bang that could have generated the world we know in the same manner.
@nazani14
"I agree, math is cool. So why isn't there more of it in the Bible?"
Not taking into account the concept of a talking snake, just the Bible stating that Pi = exactly 3 completely destroys the credibility of the Bible, and therefore everything it says is lies .
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If not even God can create a wheel on the Biblical mathematical basis that Pi = exactly 3 (which as demonstrated by mathematics, as shown above, proves is impossible), then he's not omnipotent, thus he's not God, therefore he's a contradiction to himself, ergo he doesn't exist. QED.
All he has to do is prove us wrong. C'mon, Goddy-boy, give it your best shot. We're waiting...!
Yes, we are advancing our Darwinist, gay, Muslim, atheist, Nazi, Communist, kitten-drowning, latte-drinking, liberal, worldview and there's nothing you or your god can do about it.
Nothing.
Bwahahahaha.
And don't forget, no mater how randomly you mix oil and water, God separates them again! Ain't He great?!! And when you play roulette, sometimes He makes your number come up. And you don't even have to be a believer. That's how loving He is! But since gambling is sinful, He only makes it come up about 1 time in 37 (1 in 38 on the more sinful double-zero wheel). Praise the Lord. Gimme another beer.
Ice floats, therefore; God.
Shit. Floaters and sinkers. Oh, the wondrous ways of God, His wonders to perform.
Caldonia? Caldonia! What makes your big head so hard?
you don't NEED a designer to accept that all these things are as they are because they must be in our universe.
A religiionist is welcome to think that a designer set it up that way, but proof is not there to bakc it up.
Ahhh yes, however would our ancestors, the aquatic artic apes, have survived at the bottom of frozen lakes without this amazing property of water?
The harmonics of specific atoms that allow for combinations friendly to life that would otherwise be rare.
Uh, life IS rare. Have you looked at the universe? It's mostly non-life. And out of the billions of billions of stars out there we only know of one place that has life. And it hasn't been easy here either as there have been a number of catastrophic extinction events that have wiped out large numbers of species.
I do see "the awesome beauty of creation". I just don't label it 'creation'.
Ice takes oxygen with it when it freezes? The dissolved oxygen (and nitrogen and carbon dioxide and maybe other trace gases) remain as water crystallises into ice; the process doesn't draw additional gas in from surrounding water or air (at least not appreciably enough to account for the significant density difference). Ice molecules are simply packed less closely than are water molecules, resulting in a 9% decrease in density.
Isn't it better to actually try to understand these processes rather than to simply assign them to your god?
Time to bring out one of my favorites:
All things dull and ugly,
All creatures short and squat,
All things rude and nasty,
The Lord God made the lot.
Each little snake that poisons,
Each little wasp that stings,
He made their brutish venom,
He made their horrid wings.
All things sick and cancerous,
All evil great and small,
All things foul and dangerous,
The Lord God made them all.
Each nasty little hornet,
Each beastly little squid.
Who made the spikey urchin?
Who made the sharks? He did.
All things scabbed and ulcerous,
All pox both great and small,
Putrid, foul and gangrenous,
The Lord God made them all.
Eric Idle
"Fractals. Fibonacci numbers. DNA."
All discovered and used by scientists in their "world-view prisons," I might point out.
That I don't attribute the fact that ice floats to a deity is irrelavant. I'm not in a prison, I'm in reality.
By that logic, 1 + 1 = 2 or circles is proof of a creator.
And FYI, oxygen has fuck all to do with making ice float in water.
Nature is awesome, beautiful, terrible, and testable. What does that have to do with your invisible friend? (BTW your understanding of science needs serious polishing)
Isn't it absolutely marvellous? Sheer bliss! The wonders of nature. I've just been in the garden looking at the fractals in the sunflowers. The majestic DNA of an elegant slug nibbling away at one of my lettuces was an enchanting sight to behold. The airy dancing of atoms, in all their harmonic wonder, shimmered all around me. How delightful. If I could only see the invisible one.
How I long to see the mighty cloud-lounger. The sublime cranial kipper. Only in very relaxing and quiet craniums of course. I can see DNA. I can see atoms. I can see Fibonacci numbers and fractals. But I can't see inside numpties' heads.
I am sorry so many of you are locked in worldview prisons that keep you from seeing the wonders of reality and the many beauteous things borne of chaotic, undirected natural processes. Fractals. DNA. (Fibonacci numbers are a just sequence established by a human being, a sequence that happens to crop up in nature a lot) The reactive qualities of specific chemicals that allow for the development of life. The unique hydrogen-bond-derive behaviors of water, which enable life to flourish as it does.
I am sorry so many of you are locked in worldview prisons that keep you from seeing the awesome beauty of evolution and the many signatures of the Natural Selection. Fractals. Fibonacci numbers. DNA. The harmonics of specific atoms that allow for combinations friendly to life that would otherwise be rare. The wonderful behavior of water, whose properties are most unusual and therefore allow for life, most specifically that ice floats rather than sinks to the bottom of a body of water because when water freezes it takes more oxygen with it, thereby becoming a covering and insulator for bodies of water rather than falling to the bottom and leading to a deadly total freeze of water in cold climates.
Intelligent designer? No Designer/Engineer would have put a playground between two sewage treatment plant.
If eyes were so perfectly designed, why do so many need glasses? I could go on and on, but why bother.
Why do you guys assume that without a god's fingers in the pie that everything would be a mess and thus discovering beautiful symmetry in nature is evidence of design?
The universe is actually so amazing that it creates exquisite form all by itself. It is inherent in its substance. It is what it is.
We see it as "Wow, that is beautiful; I am struck with pure Awe. I want to explore and know more"
You guys see it as "Wow that is beautiful; I am struck with pure Awe. Whoever made it is impressive"
This is because you do not respect the universe for what it is. You don't give it enough credit.
rlrr's cat says it all!
Bravo, Puss!
Physics FAIL
Biology FAIL
Mathematics FAIL
Numinous FAIL
Stay after school, and clean the blackboards - for eternity.
"I am sorry so many of you are locked in worldview prisons that keep you from seeing the awesome beauty of creation and the many signatures of the Designer"
Kitzmiller vs. Dover would like a word with you, Kimbal.
@Philbert McAdamia
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"Ice floats, therefore; God.
Shit. Floaters and sinkers."
Chocolate bars. Just sayin'.
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If this is how he wants to see beauty in the world, why should we stop him?
The water thing, however...goodness gracious, science weeps at that statement!
That statement was a result of high school physics class. So much for public schools! Now I realize that hydrogen bonding making ice less dense causes ice to float (although oxygen is often trapped within ice that is not the reason it floats). In the last few years I have studied real science and have discovered far more ridiculous myths you Darwinists believe, such as the idea of spontaneous generation (pagan much?) or that information could arise from natural sources. I learn from my mistakes, do you?
Which Designer? Where did he or she come from; who designed him/her?
Trial-and-error is a better way to get harmonics, than design.
The life that exists on Earth evolved with the water, silly-nilly.
Why have an alias if you're going to give your name anyway?
Of course the world had designers, very clever ones, although some of their products don't give them their proper credit. We call those designers Physics, Chemistry, and Mathematics, assisted by Geology and Geometry and a host of other specialists to do the fine finishing on the visible surfaces. Patent pending.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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