In the darkest days of the War on Terror and during the worst of it in Iraq when our soldiers and Marines and the Iraqi people could’ve used any help they could get, the anti-American Leftists who currently infest the film-making community sided with our enemy through the production of one propaganda piece of moral equivalence after another; a celluloid flood of dishonest, divisive and morally illiterate films each created with the obvious intent of undermining America’s resolve to defeat terrorism and to create an ally in the Middle East through the righteous (and costly) liberation of the Iraqi and Afghan people. Furthermore, through a number of insidious documentaries, one of the freest and wealthiest industries in all of human history spent millions to produce and promote the worst of America through the creation of cinematic mountains based on conspiratorial mole hills.
To further their nihilist agenda, Leftist Hollywood would see 25 million innocent Iraqis abandoned into a meat grinder of terrorism and death squads. Most unforgivably, in film after film after film, these moral degenerates have attacked our troops as dupes, victims, monsters, and no better than the enemy.
This hasn’t been the work of just edgy, indy outsiders either. Some of the biggest names in the business are behind this assembly line of artistic embarrassments that – at best, by default — give aid and comfort and side with the most vicious, imperialist, racist, sexist, anti-Semitic, homophobic, and theocratic enemy we have ever faced. And even with each of these cinematic disgraces bombing at the box office, our fat and privileged “Patriots Through Dissent“ have even more planned.
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John, I think your confused. The right would be more likely to side with the enemy that's imperialist, racist, sexist, anti-semetic, homophobic, and theocratic. I mean, let's look it at this: who was against the civil rights movement? Conservatives. Who was against women's rights? Conservatives. Who is against gay rights? Conservatives. Who wants to go into every country and install democracy whether the people want it or not? Conservatives.
They have more in common with the enemy than us on the left do.
the anti-American Leftists who currently infest the film-making community sided with our enemy through the production of one propaganda piece of moral equivalence after another; a celluloid flood of dishonest, divisive and morally illiterate films
You post this scapegoating piece of propaganda garbage and you call liberals the divisive ones? It's a good thing people like you don't understand irony because you'd have blown your own mind the minute you learned to speak.
Let me clue you in, Nolte...
WE LIBERALS HATE THE TALIBAN TOO.
We hate it even more than you conservatives, in fact, because they subjugate women, murder at the drop of a hat, retard human knowledge through enforced dogma, and in general threaten all sorts of things we hold dear. However, we understand that full-scale war is not the best way to go about defeating them. Especially when you're attacking the wrong flippin' country on the basis of claims that turned out to be completely false. We do not want to feed American soldiers to the enemy. After all, if we bring all the troops home, they WON'T be killed by the enemy, now, will they? We're not advocating that America give in to terrorist demands and surrender all our freedoms to the Taliban. We're advocating that America change tack. Stop using knee-jerk violence and start using logic and reason. America spent the better part of eight years doing it your way, and what has it gotten us? Millions dead in a pointless war, civil rights eroded, innocent people being locked up and tortured without trial, the nation demonized in the eyes of the world...and the Taliban remains on the loose.
You had your chance, conservatives, and you blew it. It's our turn now.
@Mookie Blaylock
In the original blog post, he provides hyperlinks to pages on various films: Syriana, Rendition, Lions for Lambs, The Tillman Story, Ghosts of Abu Gharib, War Inc and Fair Game.
You haven't got a clue how much your "liberation" efforts in Iraq have set that country back, do you? Never mind the insurmountable fact that Iraq was never a threat to the United States and never harboured any terrorists. That is until you stupid fuckers went and destabilized the entire region into a sectarian hellhole.
Your own countrymen pointing this fact out to you is treason, is it? Your founders would be appalled. By your definition they were "leftists" as well.
"the most vicious, imperialist, racist, sexist, anti-Semitic, homophobic, and theocratic enemy we have ever faced."
Have these people ever heard of Nazi Germany?
Someone's reading waaaay too much into "Dinner For Schmucks."
Seriously, I haven't seen any movies about the "war on terror."
And what exactly is "morally illiterate?" Is it immoral to not be able to read?
"the most vicious, imperialist, racist, sexist, anti-Semitic, homophobic, and theocratic enemy we have ever faced"
I thought the Saudi's were your allies?
The funny part is that OBL clearly stated that his whole purpose was to force an invasion so that they could fight us on their home turf. Ol' Chimpy played into his hands beyond his wildest dreams. He turned us, myself and every single American, into war criminals. If we are extraordinarily lucky, and behave ourselves, we might be forgiven in a few decades.
moral degenerates have attacked our troops as dupes, victims, monsters, and no better than the enemy.
I fully support our troops. But if you go around killing innocent civilans then you are no better than the enemy.
Hi there, sinner 329857395873298572039 (aka John Nolte)
oh yeah, that's what we called the Dolchstosslegende, one of our great success stories down here. We reaped millions and millions of souls. It is really nice to see it alive and well. I hope our harvest will be even larger this time (you know with nuclear weapons and all that shit).As agratification you will be rewarded a very special place down here.
CU in hell
Such ...conspiratorial mole hills... as Iraq having no weapons of mass destruction (the ones Rumsfeld sold them being well out-of-date at the time)and none of the 911 bombers coming from the country?
The Republicans were happy enough to support Saddam when he looked likely to use the WMD they'd supplied on the Ayatollah's forces...
Plus, I never understand how the carpet-bombing of operation 'Shock and Awe' was any better than 'Terrorism'.
For the last time: Michael Moore does not represent the majority of liberals, filmmakers, or both, Hollywood (and liberals) have no intention of destroying or disgracing America, and Bush completely messed up the Iraq War from day one, eliminating any chance it had of being a success, which admittedly wasn't very high to begin with.
@ pete
You realize that the only reason that, say, Japan, has even been forgiven already for their actions during World War II is because they gave us anime and Godzilla movies? We Americans don't stand a chance of the Middle East forgiving us in our own lifetimes...
Who are the "anti-American Leftists?" North Koreans?
Johnny, just because we don't believe in the My Country Right or Wrong philosophy and don't believe that shooting and blowing things up are the best solution for every foreign relations problem, that doesn't make us un-American. It just makes us brighter than you.
I find it interesting that he didn't identify any of the "flood of dishonest, divisive and morally illiterate films."
Now why do you suppose that is?
(Oops, just saw in a comment that he does provide a list of films. Ok, everyone is entitled to his opinion.)
"the anti-American Leftists who currently infest the film-making community sided with our enemy through the production of one propaganda piece of moral equivalence after another; a celluloid flood of dishonest, divisive and morally illiterate films each created with the obvious intent of undermining America’s resolve to defeat terrorism and to create an ally in the Middle East through the righteous (and costly) liberation of the Iraqi and Afghan people."
The same 'anti-American Leftists who currently infest the film-making community' who made the abortion of a film that was "U-571"? Yeah, tell that to the veterans of the British Royal Navy who actually captured Enigma machines from the Kriegsmarine's U-Boats (to say nothing of the Royal Canadian Navy crew who captured a 4-rotor Enigma, so Bletchley Park were able to ensure decryption of Nazi transmissions, thus keeping one step ahead of the Wehrmacht's High Command intel-wise, and therefore the success of the Allied cause in D-Day).
...ah, but then if Hollywood used actual historical fact as the screenplay, then I doubt "U-571" wouldn't be profitable if it portrayed a US Navy crew's capture of an older (& thus effectively obsolete) Enigma machine; the fact they did nearly jeopardised the plans for Operation Overlord (D-Day). Americans fucking up in a film wouldn't look very good now, would it?! You certainly wouldn't appreciate that would you, John?
Two Words: Pot. Kettle.
"Leftist Hollywood"?
Leftist? Hollywood? AHAHAHAHAHAHA That is the dumbest thing I've hear din decades.
Hollywood is arch conservative. When was the last time you saw a movie were the bad guys won and the US military or US in general, lost anything? Hollywood is so hard at work sucking right wing dick it's disgusting.
Hollywood would never make a movie putting he US military in a bad light - they depend on the US military for equipment and stand-ins. Hollywood and the US military has an understanding - the military will give Hollywood all the help and equipment they need in return for always putting the US military in a good light.
Are you people really so stupid you don't even know this well known fact?
Anti-war is not pro-terrorism. The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend.
I have never heard anyone saying we should just leave the troops to die in Iraq or Afghanistan. Everyone I've heard protesting the war is saying we should bring the troops home and leave the Iraqis to build their own country. If they need help, the UN peace corps are much more suited for the "job".
Similarly, people are attacking the ones who send the troops into war, not the soldiers themselves. Of course they are no better than the enemy; they are all human beings doing the best they can to protect their countries.
"give aid and comfort and side with the most vicious, imperialist, racist, sexist, anti-Semitic, homophobic, and theocratic enemy we have ever faced."
If you switch the word "enemy" to "friend", it fits Saudi Arabia perfectly.
@I read about the afterlife
"who was against the civil rights movement? Conservatives. Who was against women's rights? Conservatives. Who is against gay rights? Conservatives. Who wants to go into every country and install democracy whether the people want it or not? Conservatives."
I think it's important to distinguish among different types of conservatives. What you are describing is properly termed a "neocon," and the views you depict are mostly associated with the religious right and by extension the Republican party which panders to them.
Libertarian conservatives like myself are not against any of the things that you mention. Quite the contrary; we believe that authentic conservatism refers to a small government approach, and that all of the issues you allude to are, in fact, big government intrusions into the citizens' private lives. As a small government conservative, it makes no sense to me why the government would be involved in someone's sexual life, for example. The rule of thumb for the small government conservative is that unless an action can be convincingly demonstrated to violate the social contract by endangering or jeopardizing another citizens' equal rights, then a person should be free to make whatever choices they deem suitable - up to the point that those choices directly effect another citizen or group of citizens, which is where government has the obligation to step in as an arbitrator.
It's a shame conservatism has been painted with such a broad brush. There are actually a lot of things that my liberal friends and I see eye to eye on. The only real area of difference is in regard to the proper role of government, at which point I believe my Democratic friends actually come much closer to their Republican counterparts than I do, being that both Democrats and Republicans favor what I consider to be a large and potentially intrusive government.
@I read about the afterlife
BTW, for point of reference, you're mistaken that conservatives as a whole opposed the civil rights movement - if by that you mean Republicans. Many Democrats opposed the movement, particularly in the south. Does that rotten old bigot Senator Byrd ring any bells for you?
I'm trying to think of all these films that you despise so much, but sadly none come to mind. So maybe you can be helpful and cite some for us. And while you're at it, I can cite at least one conservative/christian/creationist propaganda piece right off the top of my head.
"Does that rotten old bigot Senator Byrd ring any bells for you?"
At least Senator Byrd overcame his bigotry at some point. The same cannot be said for Jesse Helms, Strom Thurmond, etc.
"Kind of like how I became a conservative Lutheran when they offered me a job... ;)"
No, I actually have no reason to believe that the late Senator Byrd never gave up his racist views. In fact, he abandoned them altogether in the 1980s. So did George Wallace. I give credit where credit is due. Strom Thurmond never showed remorse for his racist views. Jesse Helms, till the day he died, was known for making racist and homophobic statements, and used race-baiting to win reelection.
Newsflash:
Conservative administrations in the 1980s armed the Taliban to fight the Soviet-backed Afghan government.
The same administrations also supported and armed Saddam Hussein, as a bulwark against fanatic Muslims in Iran, who had overthrown the previous US-supported dictatorial ruler of Iran.
Meanwhile, the US military also secretly sold Iran weapons, to gather illegal funds with which to support right-wing paramilitaries in Nicaragua, whom were busy fighting a civil war against a democratically elected leftist Sandinista government. They didn't tell Congress, either.
In short, Conservative governments fucked up big time in the Middle East and elsewhere, and the US can hardly claim to be the supporter of democracy anywhere. The first Iraqi president after "liberation" was a US puppet, and the current president of Afghanistan - re-elected thanks to fraud- is a tribal warlord with close ties to opium smugglers, in a country that produces about 70% of the world's opium.
Blind obedience is not good for you.
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