If humans have evolved as evolutionists claim, most of it should have happened within the time covered by history, because that is when most people have lived. In fact, if you are as old as I am, a large percentage of everyone who ever lived did it within your lifetime! Who could ask for a greater opportunity to study human evolution?
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History is a convention, it´s the discipline that implies the use of WRITTEN SOURCES. That is, less than ten per cent, probably, of the existance of humankind in our planet. So, we´ve lived only a tenth percent of our lives. Period.
Written history is only about 2500 years, and that is stretching it to include Oracle bones in China. Human existance is signifigantly older.
Also in that post, the human population according to the US Census was 1 billion in 1850. Anyone else think that number might be on the high end
1) Evolution happens fastest on small populations, not large ones. This is because changes must spread throughout the population; having more people == more required permutations for a mutation to spread throughout a population.
2) No matter the size of the population, ten thousand years is what's called "sudden." This is a fairly rare speed.
if you are as old as I am, a large percentage of everyone who ever lived did it within your lifetime!
Is it okay to laugh at this? The guy must be a few million years old for this to be true.
If you are 100, that means that there were at least 5100 years (According to wiki ancient Egyptian civilization stretched from ca 3200 BCE to 343 BCE) before you were born, in which people lived and died. That should rack up a few billion considering the child birth and child death rates back in the day.
Are you old enough to account for all those people having lived in your lifetime? It would have made you old enough to see the birth and crucifixion of Jesus, were you there? Did you even hear anything about him while he was still alive? Did you think that he was just a nut/fraud back then? Ot did you just write it of as some sort of myth?
"If humans have evolved as evolutionists claim, most of it should have happened within the time covered by history, because that is when most people have lived."
No, you obviously have no idea of what the ToE actually says and how evolution works. Please, find a good biology textbook and READ it.
"In fact, if you are as old as I am, a large percentage of everyone who ever lived did it within your lifetime!"
That is irrelevant.
"Who could ask for a greater opportunity to study human evolution?"
I could and I do.
I think he's refering to a (possibly false) claim that there are more people alive now than there have ever been alive, as a result of geometric population growth. What he fails to realize is that evolution is dependant on number of generations, not percanage of population available for study. There's also that bit about large populations stagnating and small populations evolving rapidly. So basically, he's taking one concept that may or may not be true, deciding that it doesn't fit with evolution as he thinks it works, and declaring that as a result, evolution as it is generally accepted must be false, because he couldn't be wrong with his two premises (sp?)
Let's see, Evolutists claim humanity evolved primarily outside of the time covered by written history, so Tom is beginning with a disconnect/strawman. Not a good beginning.
And unless he's is thousands and thousands of years old, then he's so wrong about sentence two it's ridiculous.
Sentence three is just a non sequitor from there and must be based on his strawman of evolution.
is he trying for a quiet argumentum ad "when you're as old as I am, junior, you'll understand I'm right"?
Argumentum ad "young whippersnapper!", perhaps? Thomas here reminds me of a few sayings:
"Men don't get wiser as they grow older, they just lose their hair."
"There is no worse fool than an old fool."
Anyone got other ones to submit?
I nominate this post for a "No worse fool than an old fool" Award.
"If humans have evolved as evolutionists claim, most of it should have happened within the time covered by history, because that is when most people have lived."
No, says who? Evolution takes millions of years. What is the reasoning behind this? Why should it have happened as soon as people realized they could write things down?
"In fact, if you are as old as I am, a large percentage of everyone who ever lived did it within your lifetime!"
What? Evolved? No, it doesn't work that way. Either that or you're millions of years old. I'm going with it doesn't work that way.
"I was born about ten thousand years ago
And there's nothing in this world that I don't know
I saw Peter, Paul, and Moses
Playing ring around the roses
And I'll whup the guy who says it isn't so!"
Fun song. Lousy logic.
Irene
"If humans have evolved as evolutionists claim, most of it should have happened within the time covered by history,(Why? And what kind of history ... written? If so, are you contending that before written history there were no people? Are you talking, perhaps, of fossil history? Which kind?) because that is when most people have lived. (So, no evolving before anyone could actually sit down and write it all down, is that it? Evolution needed a publicist and agent. I see.) In fact, if you are as old as I am, a large percentage of everyone who ever lived did it within your lifetime!(Sooo .. who came before you? Your parents, very good. And they were within your lifetime. check. And who came before your parents? Your grandparents, yes, doing well. And they, too, were within your lifetime. check. And who came before your grandparents? Indeed, your great-grandparents. Excellent. Where they within your lifetime? It's possible so. check. Now. Who came before your great-grandparents? That would be great-great-grandparents. No? No. You have none. Because they weren't within your lifetime. Granted you could have fallen into the small percentage of everyone who ever lived but unfortunately, you fall into the great percentage of idiotic people I've come across on these anti-evolution forums. From this we can see that you do not exist because you couldn't have come into being: you never had any progenitors in the great-great-grandparents category. And so it follows that if they never were, then neither could there have been great-grandparents or grandparents or parents. Do you see why your post made it to fstdt?? You are in great need of a reality. check. )
If humans have evolved as evolutionists claim, most of it should have happened within the time covered by history, because that is when most people have lived.
Um... no. Written history covers a few thousand years back. Early humans appeared many thousands of years ago. (100,000 maybe? I forget.)
In fact, if you are as old as I am, a large percentage of everyone who ever lived did it within your lifetime!
I know that the human population has expanded greatly in recent times, but claiming that the majority of people who ever lived are current is still expanding the definition of "stretching it."
Who could ask for a greater opportunity to study human evolution?
Um, dipshit, a large population doesn't help us study evolution. Evolution is the genetic change in a population over time; if anything, a large population would make it harder, since it would take longer for new changes to spread. Pick up a textbook and read the theory you're criticizing!
If that were true, yes, but mutations would have happened to different people. They don't cumulate into "humanity's evolution score", for there's no such thing.
Anyway, the "more people living.." thing is false.
Suppose no-one alive today was alive 100 years ago. We are now 7 billion.
In 1900 there were 1.6 billion.
In 1800 there were 1.0 billion, cumulative 2.6.
In 1700 there were 0.8 billion, cumulative 3.3.
Population growth was slower still before the 1700s, so make your own estimate of how many people could have lived in several tens of thousands of years.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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