I think we actually agree on the fact that lust is wrong and sinful, I am just trying to point out the fact is I believe the act of adultry should be punishable by death. Porno should be illegal and there should be strong punishment as well. [...]
My comments in response to this are to try and show the difference between our thoughts and our actions. God will most certainly judge our thoughts, Here on earth though society needs to show the judgement of our actions ie laws etc. Homosexuality, adultry, abortion, murder, rape and so on should all have very swift death penaltys.:thumb:
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It's delightful, actually, to see all the hatefulness of the fundies coming to the forefront now. The more they try to take us back to the dark ages, the more people will simply abandon them and the more irrelevant and impotent they will become.
"I think we actually agree on the fact that lust is wrong and sinful, I am just trying to point out the fact is I believe the act of adultry should be punishable by death."How forgiving of you.
"Porno should be illegal and there should be strong punishment as well."
What is pornographic? Who gets to decide? Why is naked people having sex considered pornographic, but violence is usually not?
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"My comments in response to this are to try and show the difference between our thoughts and our actions. God will most certainly judge our thoughts, Here on earth though society needs to show the judgement of our actions ie laws etc."
Indeed, we should be judged by our actions. However, God is a fiction.
"Homosexuality, adultry, abortion, murder, rape and so on should all have very swift death penaltys.:thumb:"
Instead, maybe we should have swift punishment for intolerant, tyrannical asshats.
Yes, let´s kill everybody who has done nothing wrong to you and, as St Thomas Moore mentioned, you´ll have a bunch of killers. Bear in mind that if you´re going to put at the same level a person who has ACTUALLY murdered to one who has comitted a much minor offense, THEY WILL NO DOUBT TO GO AS FAR AS KILLING. After all, didn´t Jesus forbid the adultress and said don´t judge lest you´d be judge. It is the Bible too, in case you´re wondering.
Punishment serves one of two purposes, to act as a deterrent, or to satisfy childish desires for revenge. Revenge is not a valid justification for anything in the opinions of most sane, rational people; since there is no harm to society from adultery, there is also no reason to have any deterrent for it other than any direct detrimental effect adultery has on the participants.
Oh boy, do I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, it's batshit insane. other hand, it would mean that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Lott, Rice, and a hell of a lot of other asshats would have been killed long ago.
But on the other other hand, the Bible defines "adultery" as any sexual contact outside of marriage...which would mean the population of the United States would be in the single digits by now.
Personally, though I think this poster would too readily punish people for totally victimless activities that are perfectly natural, I would love to see some way to punish those who cheat on their spouses; death might be a little extreme, but some kind of punishment should be expected for what should be considered a major "breach of contract" situation. The main problem, as I see it, is the same issues that so badly complicate rape cases: proving that something actually happened and, if so, that it was consentual and intentional.Brain_In_A_Jar: Your offhanded assumption that "there is no harm to society from adultery" is specious. Does a single mugging harm society at large? Does a single burglary harm society at large? Does a single instance of embezzlement harm society at large? Or any other single-instance, single-victim crime? No, of course not. But it DOES harm someone else IN that society, which is why we legislate against such things; ALL of us are part of society and deserve protection as such. You acknowledge a "direct detrimental effect adultery has on the participants"; how is this appreciably different from, say, embezzlement or vandalism?
~David D.G.
I think we actually agree on the fact that lust is wrong and sinful
Brain_In_A_Jar: Your offhanded assumption that "there is no harm to society from adultery" is specious. Does a single mugging harm society at large? Does a single burglary harm society at large? Does a single instance of embezzlement harm society at large? Or any other single-instance, single-victim crime? No, of course not. But it DOES harm someone else IN that society, which is why we legislate against such things; ALL of us are part of society and deserve protection as such. You acknowledge a "direct detrimental effect adultery has on the participants"; how is this appreciably different from, say, embezzlement or vandalism?
On the other hand, the line of 'adultery' is smeared at best. Different folk have differing ideas of what constitutes adultery, and different individuals have differing reactions to it. It isn't something so easily measured as embezzlement or other thefts. An exact figure can come from those.
What I know is I've seen couples break up over perceived adultery, and I've seen people forgive or even encourage some things that I would never put up with. A pair of couples executed for swinging is absurd. Some 'crimes' are only crimes to those on the outside.
Redhunter: That's why, when I said what I did about wishing to punish this as an offense, I at least specified "cheating on one's spouse," rather than the much slipperier term "adultery." Swinging/open marriage is not cheating, since it by definition includes informed consent of the spouse; I wouldn't want to live like that, but I cannot object to what others choose to do with full informed consent.
Punishable offense? Yes. But proportionally to the crime.
Ok, if God is going to judge our thoughts, how are we going to enforce the other cases, specially in the case of homosexuality, adultery or porno?, are we going to set a Big Brother or what?. Moreover, if you're going to punish the same way an adulterer and a murder, what if the adulterer kills the husband, the wife or the other part to get away?, what if the rapist kills the victim?, and anyway, if you agree on the fact that lust is wrong and sinful because of religion, how do you reconcile it with the first ammendment?, how do you explain, moreover, the exceptions of Abraham, or King David in the Bible?
So God judges us by our thoughts, too?
So I'm screwed. Either I stay gay, and burn, or I lie to God's face, say I never ever loved those men, and burn for lying to him.
And what about all those lovely Xtians who will proudly claim that all that keeping them form raping, pillaging and murdering is divine retribution? Hmmmm?
Let's analyze this a little bit. You say that it will be your thoughts that are judged, in addition to your actions. Why do you do good? Is it because you want to do good? Or is it because you fear that you'll be punished for doing otherwise?
Now which of those two sounds more selfish? And which more agrees with those statements? Sounds like you're going to Hell anyway. See you in the pit, buddy.
Seriously? You want to make porn illegal? Good luck with that.
You'll make the War on Drugs look like a glorious victory. Heck, I'm willing to bet that even Prohibition will seem amazingly successful in comparison.
If you were asking for the death penalty for a crime like adultery, I'd think you'd had a botched lobotomy. However, you asked twice for "adultry" to be punishable by death. Given that there is no such thing as "adultry", you are basically asking for nothing to be punishable by death. Given that I have serious qualms with the death penalty, I have to say that I also think that nothing should be punishable by death.
I believe that people who write things like that should be suspended upside down in a vat of boiling oil.
(Not really, but you get the point.....)
"Homosexuality, adultry, abortion, murder, rape and so on should all have very swift death penaltys.:thumb:"
Well, I guess that's one way to get rid of all of the televangelists, mega-church preachers and "family values" republican politicians.
Insane troll logic to battle theirs.
You should kill everyone.
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