One effective response to "Why do you hate homosexuals?" is to turn the tables on your opponent and immediately say "Here's a better question. Why do you hate my child?" If simple moral opposition to homosexuality is presumed to be evidence of hatred, it is certainly no less reasonable to suggest that pushing the destructive "gay" lifestyle on children is even better evidence of hatred. Another way to respond is to unmask the tactic for what it is. You respond, "You're trying to change the subject and plant the suggestion that any opposition to homosexuality is hateful. Opposition to homosexuality is not hateful and I'm not going to let you change the subject. The subject is..."
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They are not pushing the homosexual lifestyle on children. You are the one changing the subject. Making it about the myth that homosexuals target children when they don't.
Opposition to something is hateful when you slander that group.
One effective response to "Why do you hate religion?" is to turn the tables on your opponent and immediately say "Here's a better question. Why do you hate my child?" If simple moral opposition to religion is presumed to be evidence of hatred, it is certainly no less reasonable to suggest that pushing the destructive "Christian" lifestyle on children is even better evidence of hatred. Another way to respond is to unmask the tactic for what it is. You respond, "You're trying to change the subject and plant the suggestion that any opposition to religion is hateful. Opposition to religion is not hateful and I'm not going to let you change the subject. The subject is..."
Gee, thanks Scott!
Opposition to homosexuality is like opposition to being black or left-handed or hating someone for rolling a full house in Yahtzee on their first turn. You can't choose to be black or left-handed or gay or to roll a full house in Yahtzee on your first turn, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with either of them, so hating someone based on either of those things is completely nonsensical.
The only difference is that society has not passed laws that heavily discriminate against people for rolling a full house on their first turn at Yahtzee.
You know what, Scott?
You're right.
Hanlon's Razor implies that we should not attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by ignorance.
So rather than assume that you do the things you do because your hatred and xenophobia have so completely eclipsed your capacity for basic human empathy that you are willing to spit on the guidelines upon which your entire religion is founded by spreading the vilest lies imaginable* about an entire group of people who have done absolutely nothing wrong for the sole purpose of fostering hatred and antipathy towards said group of people, to the point of going into countries like Uganda and being instrumental in passing a law that would make their very existence punishable by death - rather than assume all of that, I should instead assume that you actually believe all of the insane shit you say, and that you are therefore so colossally, mind-numbingly stupid that you need assistance getting dressed in the morning lest you find a way to burn down your house in the process.
Fair's fair, after all.
*You know, "gays are recruiting children to molest them", "all the major Nazis were gay", that kind of thing.
So Scott, how's your lawyer going on that crimes-against-humanity case that you got going on?
I look forward to hearing of the huge stroke you have after the SCOTUS declares that laws prohibiting same-sex marriage are rooted in animus, and promptly invalidate them.
If nothing else, you gotta give it to Scott that he doesn't hide behind "hate the sin", he HATES homos real bad, like how bad a 1940's Southern Sheriff hates n*ggers and kikes.
If the mythical homosexuality recruitment agency's dreamed up actions are considered to be hatred to their targeted children, then, surely, you are admitting to a hatred of non-Christians when you and your fellow Christians try to convert them.
Canadiest
My question would be
Scott Lively is half right. If you sincerely believe that homosexuality is a choice, and one which leads to a shortened lifespan, increased disease rate, and a cosmic tyrant with a personality cult terrorizing unrelated areas, then opposing homosexuality is not hateful. Now, it certainly wouldn't be rational, as there wouldn't be any reason to believe the above other than the imagined authority of your elders telling you so.
On the other hand, if you perpetrate these beliefs in the full knowledge that it's all bullshit, if you attempt to demonize a group of people by fabricating a link between them and the Nazis despite the Nazis hating said demographic, if you campaign to have entire demographics locked in prison for the crime of existing (Scott Lively tries to claim that he was opposed to killing gays in Uganda, he just wanted them locked up), if you advocate psychological treatment which has been proven to be harmful, if you spread known falsehoods about a group of people accusing them of being pedophiles who "recruit" children..... that is hateful, and I'm not going to let you change the subject.
Finally, you used the term "gay lifestyle", and suggested that children who are straight would be forced to engage in this mythical thing. You never defined gay lifestyle, of course, nor even suggested how straight children would be forced to engage in it. Nobody ever does define it. But I think your target audience knows. Dog whistle tactics are often a sign of hatred.
@doubting Thomas
"Then why does everyone who is opposed to homosexuality express hatred toward gays?"
That's question begging. The onus is on you to justify the claim. But honest inquiry would show exceptions. For example there are lesbians who scorn male homosexual promiscuity.
Gays themselves can be motivated by hate. I've seen virulent attacks on Christians for simply saying homosexuality is a sin. Could the hate be self-hate projected onto Christians?
No, Anton, that hate is because the suicide rate amongst lgbt teenagers jumps sky high when they are routinely exposed to people who say being gay is a sin. You see, these poor children were born that way. But when they are exposed to bigots who call it a lifestyle, say it's a sin, and tell them they're going to hell for something they can't change anymore than they can change their melanin count they figure they're better off praying for forgiveness and then offing themselves before they "sin" again. Or they don't think they're going to hell but the intense bullying from adults who want to "save their souls" from a condition they were born with makes them lose hope and give up.
We hate the worthless bullies who are killing our brothers and sisters. We hate the worthless bullies who want people locked up for a natural variation on the sexual spectrum. Personally I'd like to see them all charged with manslaughter for systematically creating an enviroment that has led to thousands of deaths every year. Last statistics I saw on the matter claimed one lgbt suicide roughly every hour. That's a lot of blood on the hands of the anti-lgbt crowd.
@[URL=http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SingleIssueWonk]Anton[/URL]
Racism in the 1950s.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jessica-joseph/homophobia-and-racism-similar-methodologies-of-dehumanization_b_3459204.html
http://americablog.com/2009/04/coretta-scott-king-racism-and-homophobia-are-the-same-thing.html
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Homophobia in the 2010s.
"It must be awful, being a homophobe. Having to spend all that time obsessing about what gay people might be doing with their genitals. Seeing it in your mind, over and over again, in high-definition close-up. Bravely you masturbate, to make the pictures go away, but to no avail. They're seared onto your mental membranes. Every time you close your eyes, an imaginary gay man's imaginary penis rises from the murk, bowing ominously in your direction, sensing your discomfort. Laughing. Mocking. Possibly even winking. How dare they, this man and his penis? How dare they do this to you?
Obviously you can't fight the big gay penis in your head. It has no physical form, so you can't get a grip on it, much as you'd like to. You'd love to grab it and throttle it until it splutters its last. That might bring you closure. But no. So you do the next best thing. You condemn homosexuals in the real world. Maybe if they could just stop all this "being gay" business for 10 minutes, you'd get some respite from that scary headcock. It might shrivel away completely, leaving nothing behind. Except maybe a nice bit of bum.
No, dammit! Forget I said that! No bum either!"
---Charlie Brooker
@snoogins
"that hate is because the suicide rate amongst lgbt teenagers jumps sky high when they are routinely exposed to people who say being gay is a sin."
There is no demonstrated causal link between homosexual suicide and people disapproving of homosexuality. Even in countries like the Netherlands where homosexuality is more or less accepted homosexuals still suicide. In the case of Christians disapproving of homosexuality, I must point out that Christians also disapprove of suicide yet that has not stopped homosexuals or others suiciding.
If someone suicides merely because others disapprove of him then probably he already has other problems tipping him that direction. One should consider that the compulsive practices of homosexuals, eg "golden showers", actually drive the more sensitive ones to self-destructive. Suicide would be an extension of such self-hating behaviours. Blaming so-called homophobes is a cop out and symptomatic of paranoia.
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