Then how can you prove that evolution happened? How can you prove that a big bang happened? That is faith WITHOUT evidence; at least evidence that would hold in a court of science! Now I do understand that you may have what SEEMS like evidence (such as similarity between animals), but how is that valid evidence? If you would be an automobile designer, then OBVIOUSLY your cars would be quite similar, only getting better each model! In the same way, God created creatures that have similarities! Imagine 1000 years into the future, not knowing that humans created cars, and saying that they evolved from some scrap metal! That would be a stupid assumption to make.
As to believers loving God out of requirement, that is NOT true. You obviously have NEVER loved Him at all. But I can almost guarantee that if someone rescued you from dying a certain death, you would at least FEEL GRATEFULL to the person. In the same way, we love God because He saved us from eternal damnation and separation from Him. God didn't force me to love Him....I love Him because He loved me first! I am not AFRAID or SCARED of God at all!
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I am not AFRAID or SCARED of God at all!
Liar.
Not only that, but you are afraid to not love your gawdfuck.
We have evidence. For evolution, see the e. coli Long-term evolution experiment by Richard Lenski or the lizard experiment in the Carribean by Thomas Schoener. For the Big Bang Theory, see Cosmic microwave background radiation. Willfully closing one's eyes and plugging one's ears while humming will not make the evidence go away or change.
It's valid because it's the ONLY evidence we have on way or the other, you twit. Unless you have absolutely irrefutable evidence to the contrary, evolution is, and will continue to be the truth.
Your "cars evolved from scrap metal" argument is laughably stupid. Cars are not living organisms, and cannot reproduce, and that's just two of the necessary requirements for evolution to occur.
"If you would be an automobile designer, then OBVIOUSLY your cars would be quite similar, only getting better each model! In the same way, God created creatures that have similarities!"
Why does your perfect God have to "improve" his creations? Or have them all based on the same blueprint, as it were?
"court of science!"
Is the Court of Science located in the City of Science?
"If you would be an automobile designer, then OBVIOUSLY your cars would be quite similar, only getting better each model"
So when God started making creatures, at first he made sucky things like trilobites and gram-negative bacteria, but eventually got better at it and made fluffy bunnies and then Adam and Eve.
"Imagine 1000 years into the future, not knowing that humans created cars, and saying that they evolved from some scrap metal!"
Yes, this is what will happen if fundies destroy our education system and replace it with their superstition. Scary, eh?
"In the same way, we love God because He saved us from eternal damnation and separation from Him"
God saves us from Himself? That is pretty sporting, I must say.
"I love Him because He loved me first!"
What's not to love?
"But I can almost guarantee that if someone rescued you from dying a certain death, you would at least FEEL GRATEFULL to the person. In the same way, we love God because He saved us from eternal damnation"
If the person saving me was the one that deliberately put me in danger in the first place, then I would have many emotions, and believe me when I say that gratitude would not be one of them.
Common ancestry is proven. Creationists can not explain away the fact that lions and tigers, zebras and donkeys, horses and donkeys, ect. can reproduce with each other. That is more than just "common design."
They can not explain the fact that humans have one less chromosome than apes because two of them fused together.
They can't explain endogenous retroviruses and other genetic markers.
If common ancestry is false, then God sure did go through a hell of a lot of trouble to make us believe it.
That is faith WITHOUT evidence; at least evidence that would hold in a court of science!
If there is no evidence for evolution, would you care to explain why creationists did not defend their beliefs under oath in a court of law, yet scientists in defense of evolution were more than happy to?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitzmiller_v._Dover_Area_School_District
No, there actually is evidence.
Cars don't have any reproductive mechanism, so we could safely assume that they were created by something else.
See how science works?
Anyway, I'm not going to be damnated. When I die, I'm going to stop thinking, stop moving around, stop breathing, and lose consciousness.
And God hasn't saved me from anything, so I am indeed not grateful to him.
In the same way, we love God because He saved us from eternal damnation and separation from Him.
That's like me saying I just saved you from a terrible beating that I was going to give you unless you kissed my ass the right way.
"court of science"
While this made me snicker, it outright made me double over in laughter recalling the last time that evolution actually WAS in the courts, evolution won and ID/creationism was used to mop up its own mess afterward.
"Then how can you prove that evolution happened?"
Evidence.
"How can you prove that a big bang happened?"
Evidence.
"That is faith WITHOUT evidence; at least evidence that would hold in a court of science!"
Never heard of peer review have you?
"COBE data biatch."
Penzias & Wilson (microwave background)
Hubbel (redshift)
We could go on, but you're not worth more of my time.
"Then how can you prove that evolution happened?"
We have the fossils. We win.
" How can you prove that a big bang happened? "
We have the background microwave radiation. We win.
"That is faith WITHOUT evidence;"
We have the evidence. We win.
"Now I do understand that you may have what SEEMS like evidence (such as similarity between animals), but how is that valid evidence?"
I think you should first ask that from yourself. Having such strong faith in creationism, it hardly makes sense to ask for evidence from evolutionists.
"Imagine 1000 years into the future, not knowing that humans created cars, and saying that they evolved from some scrap metal! That would be a stupid assumption to make."
It surely would be. What does this have to do with anything?
"I am not AFRAID or SCARED of God at all!"
I'm glad that people like you and me have at least something in common.
Now I do understand that you may have what SEEMS like evidence (such as similarity between animals), but how is that valid evidence?
Because it's similar, not identical. Take cytochrome-c. All living things have it. It's identical between humans and chimps, although the chimp's gene differs by four nucleotides. But a sunflower's cytochrome-c gene differs considerably. The larger the evolutionary gap, the larger the difference. Why would God change the gene from one living creature to another? Does a car manufacturer use different turn signal bulbs on every model of car? Does every car use different gas?
Imagine 1000 years into the future, not knowing that humans created cars, and saying that they evolved from some scrap metal! That would be a stupid assumption to make.
You're right. That would be a stupid assumption to make. It would also be a stupid argument to use against evolution, because a car is not a living organism.
Non-living things don't evolve, Kent!
...er, I mean 'Xtreme Kommander.'
Hhhmmm, denial much? Also, seems like a pretty crappy way to start a relationship. "Oh, you love me *awkward pause* I guess that means I love you too............."
Alright, I'm sick of this. Pretty much half of the quotes on this site are fundies who don't have the slightest clue about when evolution even is, but they think its bad because their youth pastor says so or some shit.
Why is it that the less a person knows about something, the more they feel the need to open their fucking mouth about it?
"I am not AFRAID or SCARED of God at all!"
Okay then, pick up a book by an actual scientist. Learn what evolution really is, and what the evidence for it really is. Or are you afraid that your god wouldn't like it and decide to withdraw his love from you?
So you bow, scrape and brown-nose out of admiration, not fear.
That's what all the cowards say.
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There is only so much verbal vomit one can take. This is one steaming pile of BULLSHIT. Bull. Shit. There is no God, Evolution gots ALL teh evidens n pwns teh noobz, and by the way, READING THE FUCKING BIBLE IS THE FASTEST WAY TO BECOME AN ATHEIST!!
Get a clue.
If you would be an automobile designer, then OBVIOUSLY your cars would be quite similar
Ever seen a Wankel engine? They are radically different to conventional piston engines, and there are no intervening stages of development. None.
actually, from the top of my head:
big bang: redshift & expansion, background radiation
evolution: fossil record, DNA similarities, ring species, mutations.
(I heard we had observed speciation too, but no citation. sorry D:)
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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