[On the Harry Potter books]
To suggest to any child...that there is a way to escape the unhappy, real life world they live in and to retreat into a mystical fantasy world to find happiness is totally irresponsible and deceitful.
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Part of being a kid is not dealing with unhappy real life.
To deny them the one real chance at that is just flat out evil. Let a kid go, let them have a real mind, it's the only thing that will keep most people sane short of diving into some addiction.
Or, you know, they could just read the books, enjoy them for what they are and not retreat into anything.
Did you know there is a Jewish sect in Israel who read nothing but Torah? They're dumber than shit and live off welfare. I think this is what the fundies are aiming at.
I hope the local child protective services are keeping an eye on him.
For a child, escaping is not only normal but necesary . Not only does it remove stress from them (yes, kids can get bleeding stress ulcers), but it gives them an imagination that they will need for the rest of their lives.
So we should batter them with pessimism 24/7? Great idea!
Also, why does this person seem to share the same views on fantasy literature as Michael Moorcock (author of the Elric Saga, a series of dark fantasy novels that makes Harry Potter look something a preacher wrote)?
..."to retreat into a mystical fantasy world..."
You mean like a work of fiction that claims a world wide flood, pi= 3, talking snakes, unicorns, et al?
It is natural and healthy to use reading, daydreaming, games, sports and other pastimes to escape mentally from the everyday problems of life. To deny this to children will take away an important self-soothing method that reduces stress and anxiety.
All magnetic sensors are jammed, captain! Even the compass is wrong! There must be a gigantic source of IRON Y nearby!
By the way, Tiny Bulcher, what's that sect called? Looking them up should be good for a chuckle.
And that is why the Scientologists are anti-psychiatry and medication, it takes customers away from their grip and 'cures'.
Harry Potter is loosening your grip hey.
The only problem is, children know that's not true, because no one's stupid, amoral, machievellian or downright evil enough to try to tell them it is.
Your bible however...
"To suggest to any child...that there is a way to escape the unhappy, real life world they live in and to retreat into a mystical fantasy world to find happiness is totally irresponsible and deceitful."
Darn it, there goes another irony detector!
Because the Magic Sky Man said so, right? A healthy imagination is a good thing. Being able to escape from stress and unhappiness for a little while is essential for children, and for adults. Yes, problems can arise if someone lets their fantasy dominate their lives, and you're damn right I'm looking at you, Fundies. But insisting that anyone wallow in unhappiness all the time is just twisted.
That's bad grammar. Daydreaming is not evil, or deceitful, idiots.
"To suggest to any child that there is a lake of eternal fire waiting for them unless they do exactly as you say is irresponsible and deceitful."
I agree there. It'd make me completely bitter if said enough to me, possibly leaving me beign one of those old psycho geezers who does just that to little kids who don't do as I say.
you clearly have not read the books if you think it's all about the characters "running away to Happyland."
I second this. I wasn't aware that "happyland" included having almost every person you love die a horrible death (some of them right before your eyes) while trying not to die yourself. If that is happyland I'll stay in reality thanks, it's slightly less traumatic.
Besides, you suggest to them every day that there's an idyllic Afterlife in Heaven where they'll find eternal happiness, and you teach this with specific intent to alter their behavior in life. You only think subversive fiction is bad when it's not on your side.
Weeeeeeell, Harry Potter (analysis thereof) is basically responsible for getting my butt outta therapy at least a year or two early, and when you consider that a Bible-toting missionary in the family was partially responsible for why I was there in the first place (and was the subject of a number of sessions), then, yeah. Riiiight.
Friendship, love, cooperation, listening to, repsecting, and learning from one's elders, the eternal battle of good vs. evil? Yeah, that's all hellworthy stuff right there. Guess I better pack a bathing suit, 'cause I'm gonna be doin' the backstroke on the Lake o' Fire! Woohoo!
Fiction is a lot of fun, and can lead to a great number of stirring discussions, but nobody SANE think's its all REAL.... Sheesh.
Found this, thought it somewhat appropos (as these fundies seem to think they're knights in shining armor or some shit), except I rather suspect the negative point value would be much higher....
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To be fair, it would be pretty deceitful to claim such a thing.
Seeing stuff written down or acted out and understanding the difference between fiction and reality would do a lot more good for a person's perception of right and wrong than forbidding them from reading the wrong, which would force them to get imaginative.
Of course, there's nothing "wrong" about Harry Potter in the first place. -_-
i think that everything that Pastor Brothers says is right. He gets everyhting he says straight from God. I myself went to Freedom Village. I was dismissed from the program and left on bad terms. If you were accepted there at Freedom Village after deciding to go there, it is Gods will that you should should stay there however long it takes for you to truly change. If you step out of God's will you will get eaten alive.It is true. I have only been out in the real world 4 to 5 weeks and already I regret the many wrong decisions I made while at Freedom Village,and wish that I could go back and change them adn still be there at Freedom Village and I also realize that Pastor Brothers is absolutely right. If Pastor says something, he is geting it from God so you'd better pay attention. If you don't you'll find out the hard way like I did and how i still am. Sincerely, Cece
TauRaven wrote:
"It would seem apparrent that you have NEVER sat down and read a good fiction story..."
Well, he's obviously read The Bible...
Well, then you aren't allowed to read anything but clear cut factual books(bye bye Bible!), no drinking alcohol, no daydreaming, no smoking, no television, because all of those things let you escape and it seems that that is just irresponsible..
"escape the unhappy, real life world they live in and to retreat into a mystical fantasy world to find happiness is totally irresponsible and deceitful"
As opposed to... what? Escape the unhappy real life world they live in and to retreat into a mystical world called the Bible is completely irresponsiibe and deceitful.
Just ask Becky Fischer.
I've said it before, but it bears repeating: Hypocrisy, thy name is Fundie.
My best friend has - in his unimaginably huge book collection - read the "Harry Potter" series. Also the "Narnia" books by the Christian author CS Lewis.
He's also read Philip Pullman's "His Dark Materials" trilogy too, so there's something for you to think about.
...and that's not the half of it, neither: said friend & bibliophile just happens to be a long -time Christian; the fact he also collects & plays RPGs should blow your fucking mind. Yes, there are Christians who don't have broomhandles up there arses about certain things you would consider 'offensive', and that he can reconcile his faith with what is obviously fiction .
...he even has in his collection "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins. As well as a framed poster of the Flying Spaghetti Monster on his wall. He is therefore touched by His Noodly Appendage. He gets it. BAZINGA!
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