I think this is probably the best forum for this because it falls under "societal morality." If the mods disagree, feel free to move it.
I heard this on the radio this morning and have unfortunately not yet been able to find any kind of link to a related story. Our local talk radio station does a 60 second Donald Trump blurb every morning about "success in life" or some such...I've only caught it once or twice, so I'm not really sure. Anyway, this morning he quoted some article by a dating/relationship "expert" that talked about the 10 biggest warning signs that women should watch for when dating and looking for a potential husband.
Now many of them made sense...things like:
* If he's rude to the server at dinner
* If he refuses to pay for the date
* If he's significantly younger than you
* etc
But number 10 just floored me...they said that if the man you are dating refuses to have sex with you until after the wedding, get out of the relationship now because that is usually a big sign that there is something wrong with him!! I'll keep looking for a link...
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lulz!
He is right, in a way. Any man who makes that claim is foolish, does not have a normal sex drive, or is lying. But, persecution and all, immorality, etc.
I dunno, the fundies would probably LOVE a man who won't have sex before marriage. I think what The Donald is trying to say (or what Kknight is trying to represent The Donald as saying) is that if someone's sexual morality isn't on par with yours, you shouldn't marry him.
I don't know what kind of crap this "younger than you" business is. Younger men are automatically bad for you? WTF? Several women I've dated have been older than me.
@The Watcher
I don't think that it implies that simply dating someone younger than you is bad. What is does say is that you shouldn't date some one *significantly* younger than you. The way I look at is, four or five years difference isn't really an issue. But extend that to say ten or fifteen years, and thats what I would call significant.
The Trump want's women to date older men? Did he specify bad hair to?
@the Fundie women, please marry all the repressed men you like it'll save us normal guys from you.
Do you think that, like Letterman's top ten, it could be meant for humor?
Nah, that couldn't be; it's our corrupt society.
If a guy I was dating insisted he didn't want sex before marriage, I would have to assume he was lying and/or hiding something. Reasons could be repressed homosexuality, STD's, he was dating me for a bet (this has actually happened), he's a fundie, he's already married/attached/engaged, or he was trying to manipulate me into feeling sorry for him so I would sleep with him. In today's society it is best to be a cynic. It hurts to be so narrow-minded but I for one would certainly be wary of any adult man who insists on no sex before marriage. It works the other way too - I would be equally as wary of a man who is slobbering all over you on the first date. They are the two sides of the same coin, imo.
The one about not paying for the date bothers me. My husband is the sweetest guy in the world, and he almost never paid for our dates. The idea that men always have to pay for everything really rubs me the wrong way.
Oh, my husband is also a lot younger than me.
But he's always super sweet to servers because he worked in food service for so long. And we had crazy amounts of sex before marriage.
I guess two out of four isn't bad...? :p
Well my concerns would be
1. He's gay and just wants to get married because he's fighting his own issues
2. He's a fundie
3. He has severe small dick syndrome* and I would have to kill him
*small dick syndrome has nothing to do with the physical size of the penis.
The norms are a collection of societal stereotypes, not of real issues. In fact, women who are older than their husbands last the same as, if not longer, than those who marry men their age or older. Well, according to the person who conducted the study, it's because they tend to think a lot before getting serious with the guy but, anyway, it works, I think. And concerning sex before marriage.........I would carefully be on alert for a number of reasons. One is that he's into some Madonna-Whore complex(it's real. Unfortunately, it happened to my cousin with one of her first boyfriends. It turned out that he was dating and having sex with somebody else. By the way, she married a guy who thought that abstinence was a good idea, but their dating, at least initially, was a nightmare). Or he might be guy and trying to find a beard. Or he's insecure about his sexuality..................you know, I find sad that, which would be a perfectly fine option, it's seen with suspicion.
well yeah. It means he's gay , asexual, or has one of a few other very rare problems. Normal people have sex, deal with it.
To me that would be a red flag that something was being hidden from me that I should probably know about before marrying him, but the self-righteousness alone would be a huge turn-off for me even if there wasn't anything to hide.
I think forbidding sex before marriage urges people to marry for all the wrong reasons because they can't see beyond their pent-up sexual urges. Sex before marriage relieves that pressure so you can go on and address other factors like, are you compatible? Do you both want children? Which in-laws get the Christmas visit? Who's in charge of the remote?
Call me a prude, but I'm not opposed to someone waiting until marraige to have sex. I don't that should be a red flag for a woman.
Although, that would mean that I... agree with someone on rapture ready. *shudder* ugh, I just felt a chill down my spine.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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