(Scharlach's version of an argument on twitter)
Anarchist: Fine. So what is the core of neoreaction, if not an apologia for monarchy?
Scharlach: In a few words? Neoreaction is a critique of democracy and demotic excess.
Anarchist: That’s just as absurd as the monarchy business. Everything we enjoy in the West today is thanks to democracy. Democracy is the most positive force in the history of the world.
Scharlach: Quite the opposite. I’d argue that everything we enjoy in the West today has occurred in spite of democracy.
Anarchist: That makes no sense. You must be a racist.
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@ Newfaceofrev
Yeah. Name a country, just one that became a worse place to live following the introduction of democracy. Just a single example.
One could make an argument for Germany with the Weimar Republic and what it lead to.[/devil’s advocate]
But even that seemed to have worked in the long run.
Pyro: Fine. So what is the core of neoreaction, if not an apologia for monarchy?
Scharlach: In a few words? Neoreaction is a critique of democracy and demotic excess.
Pyro: That’s just as absurd as the monarchy business. Everything we enjoy in the West today is thanks to democracy. Democracy is the most positive force in the history of the world.
Scharlach: Quite the opposite. I’d argue that everything we enjoy in the West today has occurred in spite of democracy.
Pyro: That makes no sense.
Scharlach probably calls his imaginary opponent an "Anarchist" in the same way Wingnuts call anyone left of Hitler "Far-Left Radical".
Funny thing is, the "Anarchist" in this example, apart from the "Racist" comment & being called "Anarchist", is actually a reasonable person.
"Anarchist: Fine. So what is the core of neoreaction, if not an apologia for monarchy?
Scharlach: In a few words? Neoreaction is a critique of democracy and demotic excess.
Anarchist: That’s just as absurd as the monarchy business. Everything we enjoy in the West today is thanks to democracy. Democracy is the most positive force in the history of the world.
Scharlach: Quite the opposite. I’d argue that everything we enjoy in the West today has occurred in spite of democracy.
Anarchist: That makes no sense. You must be a racist."
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Vyvyan Basterd (Ade Edmondson): 'You're a complete and utter bastard! ' (*Nuts both *) [/"The Young Ones "]
How's that for a settlement? From the original Argument - and human - Annihilator, no less. [/Eddie Hitler ]
Vyvyan's pet hamster SPG talks more sense than Scheerlack of brain cells here. X3
I actually thought of Weimar Germany after writing my last comment. Yeah, that was a pretty shitty place and time to live.
Someone like Scharlach couldn't argue that it was shitty because of democracy, whilst ignoring factors like reparations and the great depression, however.
*long, drawn out sigh* really? why must you stoop to ad-hominem to prove that democracy is a feasible system? sure, we fucked up and put an incredibly BROKEN version of it into place that encourages two-party extremism to flourish, but it has NIL to do with race relations
The massive genocides and democides of Hitler and Stalin didn't occur while their countries were democracies, y'know.
Also, you may well be a racist. Not to say democracy proponents do not include some racists among their ranks or that no detractors are anti-racist, but neoreactionaryism generally is a bit of a racist movement.
@Hasan Prishtina
Anarchists are not necessarily against democracy. They are actually very much for direct democracy, at least many of them are.
Anarchists are simply for stateless societies that are based on voluntary associations. They are very much for direct democracy within these societies. Especially syndicalist.
Anarchist: Fine. So what is the core of neoreaction, if not an apologia for monarchy?
Scharlach: In a few words? Neoreaction is a critique of democracy and demotic excess.
Anarchist: That’s just as absurd as the monarchy business. Everything we enjoy in the West today is thanks to democracy. Democracy is the most positive force in the history of the world.
Scharlach: Quite the opposite. I’d argue that everything we enjoy in the West today has occurred in spite of democracy.
Anarchist: ...Oh god, it's the mutant Cordyceps from The Last Of Us! It's already eaten all his higher brain functions! Run!"
Fixed.
(Thinking Allowed)
My thoughts exactly--and I am an anarchist.
(michael3ov)
Anarchists are simply for stateless societies that are based on voluntary associations. They are very much for direct democracy within these societies. Especially syndicalist."
Well put. Thank you. *smiles and nods*
@ michael3ov
How is a direct democracy not a state?
If it holds a monopoly on the use of force it is a state.
Especially syndicalism, which involves trade unions how are these trade unions not "states"? Plenty of Libertarian Marxists want exactly the same thing only they acknowledge it counts as a state.
@Deist4Days
You realize that the "anarchist" probably doesn't exist and probably didn't use that language to defend democracy, right? Scharlach, the monarchist, is the one reporting his argument against this strawman.
@ michael3ov
I am aware that anarchism and democracy are not incompatible. However, historically, the anarchist movement has been pretty well defined and is quite distinct from other "positive forces in the history of the world," to use the words of the OP's Anarchist, such as liberalism and social democracy, which also believe in democracy. For the Anarchist to say that democracy is "the most positive force in the history of the world" would be to deny that what anarchism has to offer beyond a belief in democracy is more valuable than anything else which shares that belief. At which point one has to wonder why the Anarchist is an anarchist.
@SpukiKitty :
Scharlach probably calls his imaginary opponent an "Anarchist" in the same way Wingnuts call anyone left of Hitler "Far-Left Radical".
Funny thing is, the "Anarchist" in this example, apart from the "Racist" comment & being called "Anarchist", is actually a reasonable person.
Yeah, looks like we have a case of Strawman Has a Point .
@ Newfaceofrev (#1737611):
Name a country, just one that became a worse place to live following the introduction of democracy. Just a single example.
The U.S. is certainly trending downward.
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