After so many years of tireless efforts by SP's to remove a benevolent God from British society, he is about to be replaced with Allah, who is anything but benevolent. I see humorous irony in this.
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SP = Secular Progressives in this context, I think.
But it is a disgrace that we now have several systems for administering 'justice' in the UK. Different laws applying to you depending on what you claim your invisible friend is called is wrong.
No, I don't think so, although I am in full agreement with solomongrundy on this.
Sharia law has NO PLACE WHATSOEVER in western courts. PERIOD.
An agreement was made that trade union groups can provide arbitration services to people who wish to settle their grievances outside of court. Anyone can set up an arbitration panel that can use any sort of logic to help two people resolve a dispute.
This right to have arbitration outside of the main legal system does not mean that courts have devolved their powers. These arbitration panels do not have the power to overrule UK law and cannot 'sentence' people or punish people directly.
For any outcome to be achieved both parties must accept the validity of the court and agree to it's judgment. If they disagree they can just go to a normal court. Also if the 'ruling' removes any rights or liabilities under UK law then it cannot be actioned by a court.
It's a similar situation to a Bet Din court in the UK, whereby:
- It only deals with civil disputes
English law states that any third party can be agreed by two sides to arbitrate in a dispute, and in the case of Shar'ia law or Halacha, that third-party can be a Shar'ia court or a Bet Din.
The fact of the matter is that people can start these ADR courts because the law allows them after the various laws passed for unions and organizations. Theres nothing wrong with a Sharia court, and nothing wrong with Beth Din court, even though they are Muslims and Jewish. Maybe people on here should step away from the whole "SHaria means killing people!" stance and actually read bout it and see that there are dozens and dozens of interpreations and versions of Sharia. Otherwise, were not any better than the people that make these statements
"After so many years of tireless efforts by SP's to remove a benevolent God from British society, he is about to be replaced with Allah [...]"
Same. Fucking. Deity. Jackass.
I too see irony in this, just not irony chumleypotts can see.
Psst... Allah and Yahweh are the same god, just different dogmas.
An agreement was made that trade union groups can provide arbitration services to people who wish to settle their grievances outside of court. Anyone can set up an arbitration panel that can use any sort of logic to help two people resolve a dispute.
This right to have arbitration outside of the main legal system does not mean that courts have devolved their powers. These arbitration panels do not have the power to overrule UK law and cannot 'sentence' people or punish people directly.
For any outcome to be achieved both parties must accept the validity of the court and agree to it's judgment. If they disagree they can just go to a normal court. Also if the 'ruling' removes any rights or liabilities under UK law then it cannot be actioned by a court.
Do you seriously believe that in a world of 'honour killings' women freely agree to appear before Sharia courts where their word is worth half that of a man's? When women can be judges in these courts I'll believe they're fair.
"Theres nothing wrong with a Sharia court, and nothing wrong with Beth Din court, even though they are Muslims and Jewish"
The fact that both are based on religion means *everything* is wrong about them.
I'll side with Glock 20,the only law I'll respect is secular law.
If it's agreed to by all parties, and isn't allowed to violate rights, why can't arbration use religious law?
It would be wrong to ENFORCE it on people who didn't agree to it, but I honestly don't understand.
Solomon: Honour Killings are not part of these sharia courts and there are laws in various Muslim countries against honour killings. Aside from that fact, honour killings are part of a certain subculture, not a religion. Muslims, Christians, Hindus, even Pagans, commit these crimes all over the world.
There is nothing wrong with a Sharia court that abides by the law of the land. There is nothing wrong with a sharia court where nothing is enforced: if one party disagrees, there wont be any judgement. Instead of looking at the courts and how they are being implemented, you are falling into the trap laid down by the people as the OP.
Religion and politics are a forbidden mix in the UK, as it is the EU.
Well, shiar law (probly mispelled that) is allowed to hold their own court for offenses. So , that's not good, religion has no place in the law.
Other than that : You're an idiot if you think brits will easily accept religion in power.
For the benefit of our cousins hopefully voting Barack "He's the Antichrist dagnabbit" Obama into office as we speak, chumleypotts is an example of what we in the British Republic call a "Daily Mail reader".
The Daily Mail has two major crusades running concurrently (and has done since time immemorial):
1) Separating all known objects into those that cause or cure cancer.
All this alongside other notable contributions to society such as introducing Andrew Wakefield to the world (specifically the world of credulous slavering upper-middle class racist homoeopathy-swallowing fuckwits), thereby reducing MMR uptake and leading to the present re-emergence of measles in the wider population.
Oh, and for good measure, the Daily Mail is owned by a family who openly sympathised with, and actively supported, the Nazis in the 30s. Lovely stuff.
Daily Mail ranters on the BBC forums are lampooned rather well at http://ifyoulikeitsomuchwhydontyougolivethere.com/
Right, I'll shut up now. Sorry.
Loik, I knows, amarite?
Ya get rid of one god, who's a snippy little half-Hebrew yobbo who can't keep his deific sasauge in his robes, and no sooner do you blink than he's been replaced by his even nuttier cousin, McAdder!
Sorry, I mean Allah. Whatever.
The Summorum Pontificum is trying to remove God? Why? How?
Your God and Allah are both different incarnations of the Abrahamic god. If one is benevolent, so is the other, and vice versa. Truly humorous irony...
"SP's"
It's we SPs who have ensured that $cientology will never be allowed legal recognition as an 'official' religion here in the UK (thus their Orgs etc have to pay tax on their income).
After the RAF et al in WWII ensured that Hitler would never exist in tne UK, what makes you think that a few Islamists could possibly succee where Hitler failed? And he did infinitely worse to my country. PROTIP: the IRA. In all their attempts in 30 years, not even they succeeded where Hitler failed.
...and where was your so-called 'God' - either in the 1940s - or on that day in New York early this century, pray tell...? Aye, there's the rub- and the argument-annihilating point.
@Anonymous
'SPs' = 'Suppressive Person/s'. The Nemesis of $cientology. The more you know.
"remove a benevolent God from British society, he is about to be replaced with Allah"
Nope. No 'Sharia Law' here, despite what you inferior fundies hear on Faux News. PROTIP: The very pro-Parliament Muslim Council of Great Britain have themselves taken steps to ensure Sharia will never exist here; also, they are in contact with the Home Office/Scotland Yard (and thus MI6), giving them info on any & all islamist extremist/Al-Qaeda activities here in the UK & beyond. It's known that such info has saved lives from potential terrorist attacks here in the UK - and beyond . Oh, and as for 'remove a benevolent God from British society, he is about to be replaced with Allah'...:
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...then he's takimg his own sweet fucking time about it; nope, not seeing Queen Elizabeth II - head of the Church of England ('Defender of the Faith', and all that jazz) in a burqa. And who is that behind her, here at the opening ceremony of our recent 2012 London Olympics? Is it a Mullah? Is it an Imam? Is it an Ayatollah ? No, it's the Archbishop of Canterbury.
Moral: The only irony in this is how you've completely fucked your own argument, via your own ignorance, and therefore inferiority .
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