The dietary laws of the Old Testament carefully prescribed what creatures could be eaten by the Israelite nation. Leviticus 11:13-19 gives a list of various birds and bats. Bats are not classified as “fowl” in the modern delineation but were for the Hebrews. Then we have a special command in verse 20: ”All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you.” What are these unclean fowl that go on all fours? Some commentators point out that the Hebrew word here for “fowl” [`owph] simply means “flying things” and they suggest that this verse references insects. But the six-legged insects are dealt with in their own section in verses 21-23. Could the fowl on all fours be penguins? Penguins use their wings to fly through the water and to get up on land, but then they walk on just two feet.
Joe Taylor suggests another group of animals that fit the bill nicely: pterosaurs (Taylor, Joe, Giants Against Evolution, 2012, p. 113.). Today’s scientists classify the pterosaurs among the reptiles rather than the birds. But the Pterodactyloid pterosaurs, with their headcrests and short tails, would likely have been lumped in with the fowl by the ancient Hebrews. (It seems that a species of long-tailed Rhamphorhynchoid pterosaurs was known as a flying serpent to the Hebrews.) We know from fossil trackways that many of these Pterodactyloid pterosaurs scurried around on all fours. Obviously it is just a possible theory, but there may well have been living pterosaurs still thriving in the region of the Middle East during the times of the Exodus.
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'Obviously it is just a possible theory'.
No, it's a hypothesis (and an easily disproved one at that).
"Obviously it is just a possible theory, but there may well have been living pterosaurs still thriving in the region of the Middle East during the times of the Exodus."
You need to go with that theory, as it will bring you closer to Bible God, aka nothing whatsoever. The great Bearded Tyrannosaurs of the middle eastern desert region are also contenders for being the unclean fowl that go on all fours, for although they went extinct about 100 million years ago, looked nothing like penguins, had six legs, resembled big chickens with loads of legs, were tasty and very nutritious, unfortunately, they were the subject of the mostly ignored 873rd Commandment, "Thou may not eat Great Bearded Tyrannosaurs on any day with a Y in it when the Americas have been populated".
Or, maybe, the BuyBull made a mistake.
Come on, this is a huge leap of logic. Like that David Icke guy with his "Annunaki are reptilians" schtick.
Bats are not classified as “fowl” in the modern delineation but were for the Hebrews.
Wait, stop right there. You're always saying that the Bible is the un-erring word of God and you take everything absolutely literally, especially Genesis.
But, when things in the Bible are blatantly wrong, all of a sudden it's the "Hebrews" who screwed it up.
No, God screwed it up. You can't have it both ways. Otherwise I could say: "days in Genesis are not classified as periods of 24 hours in the modern delineation but were for the Hebrews."
Game over, next please.
So no matter how fucked the bible is, or how wrong, there's always one Jack-ass ready, willing and able to go through the most extreme gyrations to make things at least look right. Sorry, chump, on its face, the bible doesn't even convince people that god exists, let alone that pterosaurs co-existed with humans.
Could have, might have, would likely have, just a possible theory. No, it's an impossible fantasy made up by combining wishful thinking with dumb-as-dirt ignorance.
When this started, I thought that it was going to be kind of "meh". The ancient Hebrews probably did just mean flying non-insects with the term used in the Torah.
Then it mentioned pterosaurs, and all of the weirdness just started to fall into place.
We wouldn't have any idea what pterosaurs were if people hadn't discovered and researched their fossils. The bible tells us jack shit about prehistoric animals like pterosaurs and dinosaurs. No, that is not a plausible anything.
Four-legged flying things would be bats. But then teh bible calls them birds, so...
Amongst all the other crazy & wrong, this little gem:
Today’s scientists classify the pterosaurs among the reptiles rather than the birds.
NO. No, they do not. Today's scientists classify them as dinosaurs - which includes birds. They are not reptiles, as they were apparently not cold-blooded.
The only people who classify dinosaurs as reptiles are people who still have a grade-school-level understanding of them.
"Acts 10:10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
Acts 10:11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
Acts 10:12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
Acts 10:13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
Acts 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
Acts 10:15 And the voice [spake] unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, [that] call not thou common."
"kill, and eat" couldn't be about the three buggers who had just shown up. That would be murder and cannibalism.
As their jebus was meant to have fulfilled the law, then the old testament law doesn't stand anymore.
The Exodus, as an alleged historical event has been throughly and conclusively debunked. Read <<The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology's New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its Sacred Texts>> by Israel Finkelstein and Neil Asher Silberman. The so-called patriarchs were no more historically real than Heracles amd Perseus. There was no Egyptian Captivity and no Exodus. 1.800.000+ Hebrews did not wander the Sinai desert for 40 years. There was no era of the Judges and no conquest of Canaan by monotheistic Hebrews - rather the Hebrew tribes developdd as an ethnic group organically from the autochthanous population of the Canaanite highlands. There was never a united monarchy spanning Judah and Israel. It appears that Dabid and Solomon did exist, but they were almost certainly poor and weak minor Iron Age Judean chieftains, not great kings; at a.time when the Bible claims that Jerusalem was a thriving, cosmopolitan city under Solomon's rule, archeology reveals it to have supported a population of several thousand people at best, and find sansolutely no evidence of the literacy, or the economic, bureaucratic, political and military centralization and development necessary to sustain a state of the caliber described in the Bible - or any state worthy o fthe.name, to be frank. The pseudo-historical parts of the Bible were composed durin gthe reign of the religious reformist king Josiah - mostly out of whole cloth - as a patriotic national origins epic, somewhat like the Aenid. There is extremely little historical fact contained therein, and the genesis of Judaism as a mmonotheistic religion also has its.origins in Josiah's personal religious convictions and is not at all reflective of early Hebrew history.
As for your -apparently earnest- belief in the presence of "Pterodactuloid pterosaurs" in the Bronze Age Sinai Desert, the only intelligent response I can make is ROFLMAO.
@anothga
@checkmate
But what if the implication here is that God did not inspire the Bible?
Exactly, that's the point. Especially since God doesn't exist.
@Nobodyyouknow
"1.800.000+ Hebrews did not wander the Sinai desert for 40 years"
Numbers like this in the bable show that the writers, and all of todays gullible bable bashers, had absolutely no bloody idea of what the size of the total population would've been to have this many Hebrew slaves alone.
For these numbers to be accurate, plus add in slaves from other nations, there would need to be enough soldiers/watchmen/peacekeepers to make a slaves revolt literally impossible. Say 50 to 1.
Then include the civilian population, royalty included, the entire population of Egypt would have been (just guessing) 200,000,000?
#1667970 wrote
Amongst all the other crazy & wrong, this little gem:
Today’s scientists classify the pterosaurs among the reptiles rather than the birds.
NO. No, they do not. Today's scientists classify them as dinosaurs - which includes birds.
Nerd mode on: pterosaurs aren't dinos, (although birds are). Even palaeontologists can't agree on exactly what pterosaurs evolved from, the thing they are certain of is that it was some sort of diapsid reptile.
Nerd mode off.
And yet, they still successfully convert people. I've even seen Muslims falling into their nets.
Bible is a giant book, as anyone can read what he wants inside. Yesterday at the church, one guy read som part of Jonas (where he hides deep in the boat during the tempest, is taken outside, and a random toss points at him as responsible for the storm). He concluded "bible teaches us that you have to be proactive in the service of God".
I like the idea of being proactive, yet my own conclusion was "Bible is once again pushing towards superstition instead of rational actions to solve the problem".
Each on finds what he's looking for in the Bible. Believers find more reasons to believe, skeptics more reaons to be skeptical, haters more reasons to hate, nice people more reasons to be nice. It's the ultimate mirror. Ask someone about the Bible, and you'll have an accurate description of the person itself.
... ... ... I'm at a loss. How does one go about properly conveying the sigh of broken faith in basic human intelligence via text?
EDIT: @Glandu
DarkMatter has a rather enlightening video on that very issue. The basic conclusion is that the reason why people get so upset over anyone rejecting their god is because their god is, in truth, simply a projection of themselves. In rejecting their god you're actually rejecting them and, as we all know, being personally rejected stings like a mother.
@solomongrundy:
Thanks for the correction! I went to school in a time & place where they were still listed as dinosaurs, and - much to my chagrin - never had cause or motive to double-check that information.
Now I know better. Thanks for teaching me a thing!
@Glandu: Your teacher missed the point of why Jonah was trying to put as much distance between himself and Nineveh as possible. Jonah WANTED Nineveh to be effaced from the face of the land, and he was afraid that if he warned of God's impending judgement of "capitally guilty", Nineveh might repent and thus avoid effacement. (So, Jonah was trying for a passive version of the Grand Vendetta?) It wasn't a matter of shirking duty out of cowardice or uncertainty, but putting vengefulness over an offer of forgiveness.
Really, I've heard plenty of claims that Jonah's meant to be a SATIRE of ruin-and-destruction-for-the-people's-aggregate-sins prophets. Jonah, Job, and Ruth are basically canonized critiques of their respective dominant ideologies (Job critiqued an early form of the Just World Fallacy, and Ruth was an exhortation to realize that non-Hebrews were NOT innately bad, and there was no crucial need to avoid considering marriage with even Moabites and Ammonites--the peoples purported to be born from Lot being raped by his daughters, and thus from incest.).
Confused?
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