Murder? Killing is only murder when one kills a member of one's own culture. Modern Western culture is not my culture, so I do not consider killing its members to be murder. The Bible makes this point very clearly in the story about the Midianites in Numbers 25 and Numbers 31:1-18.
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Whaaaaaaa? Is fschmidt-chan seriously trying to argue this?
Murder has nothing to do with where someone is born or what culture they are from! Murder is when one person kills another. Three's mo further complications outside of that. If Person A kills Person B, then Person A has committed murder, and is a murderer. It doesn't matter is Person A is from Russia and Person B is from the UK, it's still murder.
Ick... Ibuki's sick and tired of people trying to defend murderers and justify murder. Why can't everyone just collectively realize that murder is a bad thing?
"Murder? Killing is only murder when one kills a member of one's own culture."
Not according to the law, champ. Still, use that as a defense in court, it'd be interesting to see how far it gets you.
Oh, great, this guy again....
Now he's advocating mass-murder. Cute.
Hopefully he's just being an Internet Tough Guy....but you never know these days.
His mom should slap him upside the head! Poor woman's probably wondering why she didn't get an abortion.
"Thou shalt not kill", except when thou shalt? Nice objective morality and good christian "morals".
Just checking...do you eat shellfish? Shave your beard? Work on Sunday? Wear mixed fabrics?
Modern Western culture is not my culture, so I do not consider killing its members to be murder.
That's basically Al Qaeda's argument - God told me it's OK.
I'm not in your culture. Killing you is not murder. That's good, because some people in my culture (not me though) would want to kill you every day for the rest of your life. [/Captain Underpants]
Of course, it's not true if it's used against you, though, right?
On the other hand, at least he's not being the sexist bastard he normally is here.
Well, western modern Civilization is my culture, so you won't mind if I get out the baseball bat, do you?
... so you basically implied that you are outside the jurisdiction of the law of the land? That makes you an outlaw, which means that anyone inside of Modern Western Culture can kill you anytime they see fit.
Didn't think that through did you?
I wonder if he considers Mexican culture to be his culture; that way it won't be murder when his Mexican trophy wife that can't speak English knifes him in his sleep.
Gonna back Ibuki-chan on this one again.
I'm sorry but this may be a shock to you THE BIBLE IS NOT THE CONSTITUTION. No matter how many times your point to the bible doesn't make it law.
Murder is illegal saying that the bible lets you kill someone won't save you from all the fun times(Don't drop the soap) you would have in prison. I'll say it one more time THE BIBLE IS NOT THE CONSTITUTION.
Edit:I assume fschmidt is from the USA.
fschmint reveals himself a candidate for terrorist mass murder.
Guantanamo is waiting for you, scumbag.
But hey, if you finally do stop being an internet tough guy about it and actually kill people, at least you'll just keep letting the whole world know you and all your other MRA/PUA crew are fucking scumbags.
I think ideally you'll try it, miss your target, and a nearby cop puts a bullet through your brain. Considering Elliot Rodger, I'd love to see how much the Internet would laugh at how you're a pathetic fucking loser looking at the reams of material you've written and posted amongst realms of other pathetic fucking losers.
So you got an 'out' that enables you to go on a killing spree>.
Note to fschmidt, a culture is not the raging turmoil that roars desperately, and ineffectually inside your head. Do not confuse insanity with culture.
Thankfully, the law doesn't make that distinction. Frankly, no one gives a fuck what it says in Numbers, or anywhere else in your crappy bible.
Well, the Bible *does* in fact have that bad awful definition of murder that it only counts as bad when it's against one's own group, as evidenced by the same god that ordered his people not to murder ALSO ordering them to go off and kill the neighboring tribes and take their land.
Thankfully, we've gotten better as a species since then and no longer use that as our definition.
The claim that the Bible has this horrid rule is true. The error is in thinking one should follow a horrid rule just because its Biblical. The rules in the BIble are just a record of what our ancient ancestors used to think was good. Nothing more, nothing less.
I get annoyed with fundies who want us to follow such horrible rules but also get annoyed to a lesser extent with nicer Christians in modern times who engage in a bit of historical revisionism by pretending the horrible things the fundies find in the BIble aren't there. It's never "yes those horrible things are part of the religion's history but we don't follow them anymore and have re-interpreted it to be nicer", which would be the honest approach. Instead it's "no you fundies are reading it wrong and our modern interpretation is the originally intended one."
That revisionist history makes it hard to highlight the examples of why religion isn't such a good thing. People deny that such cases are in fact examples of people following the religion's writings.
@ Steven Mading
It's unusual to find a member of modern culture who isn't completely ignorant, so I give you credit for understanding the Bible. I don't believe in the supernatural myths of the Old Testament, but I strongly support its moral position. There are truly evil cultures whose members are harmful to humanity, and modern culture is such a culture.
@Mark Poe: Well, they certainly think it USED to exist, usually in places with some sort of frontier (e.g. colonial and Wild West-era America, possibly Republican Rome--look at the rights of the Pater Familias). Not sure what they think the frontier is now.
That said, the whole Alpha/Beta/Omega (what happened to Gamma through Psi?) conceit keens of idealizing something akin to a caste society--and women somehow only allowed the Beta caste at best. The former alone strikes me as bad news. (As long as it doesn't get mixed with eugenics, though, it hasn't hit absolute nadir.)
@fschmidt/fshit/fuckshit/Franklin
How's it going being our favorite misogynist troll? I suppose this post was conceived while you were on break from your normal misogyny.
So, what is your stance on gays?
What a slippery slope you're sliding on. By this logic, the 9/11 hijackers and Muslim extremists who committed those bombings in Europe didn't murder anyone since the people they targeted weren't a part of their culture.
What a horrible display of reasoning here.
@Skyknight
Well, the difference between the like of fschmidt and old school authoritarianism (or even fascism) is that at least in those types of governments the ruling class at least offer the masses some empty/hollow promises (like "legitimacy" or "racial superiority" or other such nonsense). These guys simply think they are entitled to be in positions of power because... just because?
Confused?
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