David J. Stewart #fundie

David J. Stewart #fundie google.com.au

If you want to experience proof of God, simply open your eyes, your ears and your heart. To ask for proof of God is like asking for proof of a fire while the entire forest is burning in front of you. Life couldn't have just happened. Due to perplexing unanswerable questions that anguish the unbelieving mind (like where did the universe come from?), atheist scientists have been forced to concede that the universe came from nothing. Although they attempt to logically explain their foolish position, at best they utter complete bogus nonsense. Evolution is not legitimate science, it is a false religion that unbelievers and skeptics CHOOSE to believe. Christians likewise choose, but we choose to believe the Bible; however, in drastic contrast, Christians have an abundance of historical and archaeological proofs to support their faith in the Holy Bible. Evolutionists have nothing to support their retarded claims other than more retarded claims. I'll stick with the time-tested, historically-accurate, archaeologically-supported, Word of God!!!

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old comment by Pule Thamex

"If you want to experience proof of God, simply open your eyes, your ears and your heart."

Well I can open my eyes by doing that thing with my eyelids to uncover my eyeballs. But my ears and heart remain more or less fixed and unshrouded. So I'm guessing you mean for me to open my ears and heart metaphorically. I see where we are going now.

And so, by extending the metaphoric approach to understanding whatever the fuck it is you're on about, we arrive at the following:-

"Christians likewise choose, but we choose to believe the Bible..."

Is a metaphore for I am a self-enitled egotist suffering from poor mental health, my hobbies are pedophilia (somewhat lapsed), pretentious drivel, cowering in fear in Guam, being considered special by the greatest being in the cosmos and wittering away on the internet.

In other words a LOLSTER!

old comment by Anon

@Hasan Prishtina
I'm not sure it fully apply to JDS, but fundie way of thought may be not so much about intellectual dishonesty but more about intellectual laziness.

Whan I mean is that while science do require certain amount of faith on philosophical level (such as the faith in the Universe being cognizible) the scientific method itself is not about belief at all. You don't have to believe a scientist and furthermore you are encouraged to be a sceptic. Potentially you could check any results by yourself. Of course in practice non-specialists almost always have to have at least some amount of trust in the subject of the paper but even so there are ways to check the paper's credibility. Even for non-scientists there are ways to investigate into the topic and enhance competence. But it's a matter of hard intellectual work. Being a sceptic is hard.

On the other hand, believing in a wide-spread doctrine that doestn't require intellectual skills, discourage critical thought, provides the feel of unity and superiority and is presented in an engaging and even entertaining form is much easier. Not to mention the fear factor abused heavily to keep the adepts in line. Apart from the fear thing, distantly such blind faith is to science what fastfood is to well-cooked home food.

old comment by OHP

++"Life couldn't have just happened."

That's your opinion, Davey; not evidence. Learn the difference.

++"Due to perplexing unanswerable questions that anguish the unbelieving mind (like where did the universe come from?),"

Why the hell would that anguish our minds? Not all of us have so inflated an opinion of ourselves as to be tormented by the idea that we might not know everything there is to know about the universe. That's an almost exclusively theist issue, actually.

++"atheist scientists have been forced to concede that the universe came from nothing. Although they attempt to logically explain their foolish position, at best they utter complete bogus nonsense."

Translation: I couldn't follow the theory because it was more complex than god saying "make it so" so it must have been nonsense.

++"Evolution is not legitimate science"

That's not even an opinion, Davey. That's just plain stupid.

++"it is a false religion "

Another word to add to the tower list of those which you do not understand.

++"that unbelievers and skeptics CHOOSE to believe. "

In the same way we CHOOSE to believe that fire is hot after we make the mistake of touching it or seeing other people burned by it.

++"Christians likewise choose, but we choose to believe the Bible; however, in drastic contrast, Christians have an abundance of historical and archaeological proofs to support their faith in the Holy Bible"

The bible is not historical proof of the its own accuracy, nor is the inability to understand archeological findings within the context of their surroundings archaeological proof. What you have is the desire to have historical and archaeological proof of your faith spurring you to purposefully misunderstand everything you see to the most laughably pathetic degree. Nothing more.

++"Evolutionists have nothing to support their retarded claims other than more retarded claims."

Well, that and innumerable experiments with short-lived organisms like flies and bacteria. And a massive chunk of the medical industry that successfully operates exclusively on its understanding and application of the theory of evolution's principles. And every breeding program in human history.

++"I'll stick with the time-tested, historically-accurate, archaeologically-supported, Word of God!!!"

Good luck with that. Be sure to tell us if you ever find it.

old comment by Anon

@Hasan Prishtina

The thing with ignoring evidence is that a good deal of fundies don't even bother to do a research to make their own counter-arguements. They've heard something on TV, from their pastor or their fellow fundies and need nothing more.

The ones who bother to do so, do a research only as long as they manage to keep attention or find a fact or a theory they think they are able to debunk. It this case it's also intellectual dishonesty.

Of course there's the third kind of fundies, the ones who are well aware of the evidence and even understand that they're wrong but carry on with their fundyism because of their personal ambitions of power. These are the most dangerous people and are to be condemned the most and dealt with accordingly.

Anyway, intellectual laziness borders on intellectual dishonesty.

old comment by Yossarian Lives

"Evolution is not legitimate science, it is a false religion that unbelievers and skeptics CHOOSE to believe. Christians likewise choose, but we choose to believe the Bible; however, in drastic contrast, Christians have an abundance of historical and archaeological proofs to support their faith in the Holy Bible."

Sorry David, but those of us that accept evolution do not do so because of choice, but because of the overwhelming evidence gathered through the scientific method. This makes it far more reliable than something which can only be supported by a contradictory, unscientific account of your deity and its supposed creation.

"I'll stick with the time-tested, historically-accurate, archaeologically-supported, Word of God!!!"

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old comment by Nicholas Krizov

"Life couldn't have just happened."

It DID "just happen", Gilligan J. Kidfucker. At some point, there was a chemical reaction, which didn't fizzle out, but instead achieved a self-sustaining reaction and then began to replicate itself - and billions of years and an unimaginable number of rough drafts, failed experiments and dead ends, the blind dance of evolution has created all life you see today, including us.

The difference between THAT and creationism is that we actually have a logical line of progression that leads to this conclusion - one that we came to via almost two centuries of research, experimentation and observation. Whereas your "claim" (if one could even call it that) can't be tested, can't be observed and can't even be logically inferred.

If anything, it is the Bible that says life came from nothing: "in the beginning, there was nothing. And then God said, 'let there be light!'. I could just as authoritatively say that life was the result of a race of transdimensional radioactive albino garden gnomes visiting Earth on spring break, and we're just the result of them taking a shit in the bushes.

Stick to molesting children, Gilligan J. Kidfucker.

old comment by pyro

If you want to experience proof of evolution, simply open your eyes, your ears and your mind. To ask for proof of evolution is like asking for proof of a fire while the entire forest is burning in front of you. Life couldn't have just poofed into existence fully formed from nothing. Due to perplexing unanswerable questions that anguish the religious mind (like where did God come from?), creation "scientists" have been forced to concede that God came from nothing. Although they attempt to logically explain their foolish position, at best they utter complete bogus nonsense. Creation is not legitimate science, it is pseudoscience that fundies and charlatans CHOOSE to believe. Scientists likewise choose, but we choose to believe experimental results; however, in drastic contrast, we have an abundance of historical and archaeological proofs to support evolutionary theory. Creationists have nothing to support their retarded claims other than more retarded claims. I'll stick with the time-tested, historically-accurate, archaeologically-supported, theory of evolution!!!

old comment by Swede

How can you prove WHICH god it is? It might be Brahman, or Zeus, or Odin.
When a forest fire rages, people are still asking "where did it begin and how are we going to stop it?".

If life couldn't just happen, then how could God just happen?

Religions stem from simple answers to seemingly unanswerable questions, silly.
Scientists, whether atheist or not, keep questioning until they get to the root of it all, which is NOT that the universe came from nothing.
It came from a singularity that expanded very rapidly, and keeps expanding to this day.

Bogus nonsense almost exclusively come from religious nuts like Dave, Bananaman, Hovind and other simple-minded fools like them.
Evolution is perhaps the most "legitimate" science there is, as it has the most evidence in its favor.

It's hardly astounding that the Bible managed to describe the time and environment in which it was written, dearie. It's the time before and the time after, that it managed to fuck up thoroughly.

You stick to your outdated, historically-shaky, archaeologically-unsound, comfy-blanket collection of myths and fairy-tales, honey, and we stick with reality.

old comment by Mech610

"Evolution is not legitimate science"

By what authority do you make this claim? Are you the supreme judge of science, Davey?

"Christians have an abundance of historical and archaeological proofs to support their faith in the Holy Bible."

Is that right? Because my professional field is historical conservation and museum curation, which requires me to have some working experience in archaeology. I also just returned from a 6 month internship to study those very things in Israel which included considerable time working in the field. I saw a lot of remarkable evidence of human habitation dating back tens of thousands of years, but what I didn't find or see was this archaeological or historical evidence that the Bible is true. You'd think that stuff would just be on display in the part of the world where the Bible takes place, wouldn't you?

"Evolutionists have nothing to support their retarded claims other than more retarded claims."

First off, by using the word 'retarded' you lower yourself to the maturity level of a 13 year old 4chan user, don't you ever fucking do that again, Davey. Second, yeah there's nothing to support Evolution, except for genetics, paleontology, carbon dating, visible proof and over a century of intensive study.

"I'll stick with the time-tested, historically-accurate, archaeologically-supported, Word of God!!!"

You do that. But you should know that the only 'archaeologically-supported' evidence you have for anything in any of the Holy Books being true beyond the damn books themselves is that David, Solomon, Saul and Herod were real people, there was a Temple on the Temple Mount at one point, the Romans occupied the region, there were Hebrew slaves taken to Babylon and later freed by Cyrus The Great and Muhammad was, in fact, a guy. No Noah's Ark has been discovered, no Garden of Eden, not even an Ark of the Covenant or evidence of a mass exodus and migration from Egypt.

Now, I'm a Jew ((Albeit in culture only, not in spirituality)), but even I personally believe that there was a historical Jesus of some kind. Not a walk-on-water, feed the hungry via magic and rise from the dead Jesus, but a Jewish man with some radical ideas about his own faith who wandered around Roman Judea gathering followers. But despite what I personally believe, there is very little hard evidence to support this beyond the fact that the off-shoot of Judaism that would one day be known as Christianity had to come from someone and there were contemporary writings by citizens of Judea referencing a cult wandering around at the time.

Beyond extremely scant and circumstantial evidence, you have nothing.

old comment by JGC

"To ask for proof of God is like asking for proof of a fire while the entire forest is burning in front of you."

Dude, when the forest is on fire we can see it. We can smell the smoke. We can feel the heat. We can take photographs and films of the fire. After the fire we can find physical evidence there's been a fire--charred trees, ashes, the burned corpses of wildlife.

Even someone who didn't believe in fire would be able to directly experience all of the above themselves.

The exact opposite is true with respect to the existence of those supernatural entities commonly termed 'gods'--somehow only someone predisposed to beleive in their existence is able to see the so-called 'evidence' demonstrating their existence.

To everyone else, to quote from Vonnegut in Cat's Cradle, there's "No damn cat, no damn cradle."

David J. Stewart #fundie google.com.au

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