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After many people coming to me claiming that one can believe in evolution and that God just created the first life I've decided to write this little bit here to clear up the ignorant ramblings.

1.?The Bible states ten times that life reproduces only after its own kind. As we observe the biological world all around us this fact is 100% true Dogs stay dogs, and people stay people. Yet evolution preaches that all life is a blurred continuum.

2.?The God of the Bible demands unselfish sacrifice for the good of others. “...whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant.” (Matthew 20:27) Would this same God use a method of dead ends, extinctions, and survival of the fittest to make us? I think not.

3.?Belief in evolution justified the excesses of the industrial revolution, the Nazi elimination of the Jews, and the rise of Marxism and Communism. It also serves as the primary justification for disbelief in God. Although believers in evolution attempt to distance themselves from taking their theory into a social realm, these historical atrocities are the undeniable result of taking evolution to its logical conclusion. If we are a product of biological forces; why not extend these forces into our dealing with other humans? Animal groups do not lament wiping each other out in order to survive. Why shouldn’t we be the same; if we are just part of an evolutionary process which formed us? Creation is the event which ultimately gives life value because it links every humans value to our Creator who loved us enough to die for us. Evolution is the opposite.
Abundant scientific evidence exists that microbe to man evolution has never taken place. The fossil record shows no credible links between major groups of plants and animals. The chemical structure of DNA contains useful information which could not have developed by natural processes. Also, there is abundant evidence for a worldwide flood which undermines the possibility that evolution could have happened.

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old comment by gravematter

Not the most compelling argument. To paraphrase:

1. Bible quote.
2. Bible quote.
3. I don't understand evolution.

Social Darwinism is not the same thing as evolution. "Survival of the fittest" is not about packs of different species going around deliberately wiping each other out.

"The fossil record shows no credible links between major groups of plants and animals."

This is a blatant lie, possibly told to you by a mad preacher. You'd find the evidence very easily using Google.

"The chemical structure of DNA contains useful information which could not have developed by natural processes."

Why not? I think you're getting blindsided by the way that DNA is often talked about as "a code". This is more a way of trying to explain it to idiots like yourself, rather than a literal description, which carries connotations of something man-made.

"Also, there is abundant evidence for a worldwide flood which undermines the possibility that evolution could have happened."
Stop it, you're killing me.

old comment by dionysus

Belief in evolution justified the excesses of the industrial revolution

If by "belief in evolution" you mean the completely unscientific and unrelated to the Theory of Evolution social Darwinist movement. Humans are social creatures and we're supposed to help each other not try to compete all other humans out of existence.

the Nazi elimination of the Jews

Killing member of your own species is COUNTER to the principles of evolution. Especially if you're killing them for as stupid a reason as having a different religion.

and the rise of Marxism and Communism.

What? Social Darwinism AND communism? You couldn't get any more diametrically opposed if you tried. One is an extreme of capitalism and the other is an extreme of collectivism. I find it really amusing when people like you so clearly don't understand what the things you rail against actually are and merely lump all "bad things" together into one group and blame a theory you don't understand for them all.

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"The Bible states ten times that life reproduces only after its own kind. As we observe the biological world all around us this fact is 100% true Dogs stay dogs, and people stay people. Yet evolution preaches that all life is a blurred continuum."

The Bible also states that if you get sheep to mate while looking at a striped stick, they'll birth lambs with striped wool...

"The God of the Bible demands unselfish sacrifice for the good of others. “...whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant.” (Matthew 20:27) Would this same God use a method of dead ends, extinctions, and survival of the fittest to make us? I think not."

The God of the Bible was a horse thief... I'm not sure you want to take his word as gospel.

"Belief in evolution justified the excesses of the industrial revolution, the Nazi elimination of the Jews, and the rise of Marxism and Communism."

Industrial revolution came WELL before the ToE was proposed, Nazi Germany was almost completely Christian and all mention of Darwin or his theory was banned, Marxism was almost word for word what Jesus preached about possessions... and ToE was banned in all communist countries.

Well done... you're an idiot.

old comment by Swede

Dogs can mate with wolves, as they are the same species. Horses can mate with donkeys and tigers with lions. What is a "kind" by the way?

There are countless examples of parents in nature that sacrifice themselves to keep their offspring alive. It's very unselfish too, as it's either in their genes or in their instincts.

It's "trial and error", not dead ends and extinctions, stupid. Trial and error is the best way of coming up with new things.

We "believe" in evolution, just as we "believe" in gravity and photosynthesis, and none of these beliefs justify anything other than natural processes. There are no "logical conclusions" to evolution, other than "species adapt to survive in a changing environment". There is no Natural Selection in the Jew extermination.

Wiping each other out, that is what happens in wars, stupid. Like the one the US has been waging in the Afghanistan for years and years.

So, where is this abundant scientific evidence that you alone know of?

old comment by John_in_Oz

1) a) Dogs stay dogs... or wolves, or dingos, or foxes, or a 100 different breed of dog, in a blurred continuum.
b) Every DNA-based organism is of the same kind. We can and do move genes around from species to species, and the DNA doesn't care.
c) You're adding to the bible by inserting the word 'only'. The Bible didn't actually get it wrong, you did. The Bible's observation that things reproduce after their own kind is a largely accurate observation. There are exceptions of course, such as horses and donkeys breeding mules, and your cells producing cold viruses. From primal cell to current living organism, there is what you nimrods call micro-evolution, but there is no point at which you can say any creature did not reproduce after its kind.
2) Your claim "I think not." I'll agree with that.
3)Why would you expect fossil records of something that diverged at the single cell stage? Do you not understand what you think you're talking about, or have you made a paleobiological breakthrough, or are you merely profoundly stupid?
4) Amusingly, Communist Russia rejected Darwinism on the grounds it was a Capitalist theory, claiming it was based upon Laissez-Faire Capitalism.

old comment by farpadokly

1. Species (or "kinds" of animal) do change over time, and there is so much evidence for this that contradicting it makes you someone who is living in a dream world.
2. Second point is just a non sequitur.
3. Association fallacy and slippery slope fallacy. False equivalency. We don't behave like other animals because we have a thing they don't: Reason. "He loved us enough to die for us" but only for 3 days. Also, even if there was abundant evidence for a worldwide flood, it would not be relevant to evolution, and even if the Theory of Evolution is incorrect, it doesn't make your religious dogmas more correct.
So, then, you haven't "cleared up the ignorant ramblings". You've just written a series of factual errors, untruths, non sequiturs, and logical fallacies.

old comment by LogicalAgnostic

PART 1:

I do agree that science should not play God and try to be the be all end all of everything nor that the ToE should be set out with the basic structural idea that man is nothing but an animal like all other animals on earth to demean the value of the human soul or spirit thus making us out like we are cattle for control and slaughter. Base instincts may be there but the development of the human brain and the show of emotions and critical thinking is what sets us apart from animals.

However, you are HORRIBLY GROSSLY mistaken on how ToE works, of when it was implemented in the timeline when connecting it to the Industrial Revolution, and the fact that Nazi's and Hitler were atheist ToE believers when in fact they were hardcore Christians who hated the Jews for killing Jesus and blamed them so they could slaughter them out of pure hatred and supposed reverence for the New Testament part of the Bible...

old comment by LogicalAgnostic

PART 2:

You also have no inkling of how DNA works and just because scientists compare it to a code does not mean it is a "language" or that premeditated design by an all powerful being was behind it. I would like to believe that but there is simply no evidence for it. No proof unless the creator responsible for it comes down it/him/herself and lays claim to it for all to witness.

We, as a logical reasonable species, cannot measure anything that is supernatural and intangible with science which focuses on the natural things only in this world.

I myself believe religious belief of a deity could possibly go hand in hand with science and how the natural world works but to put it simply NO ONE ON THIS EARTH KNOWS JACK UNTIL WE HAVE WITNESSED IT OURSELVES.

Not the scientists, not the religious people, not the atheists. NO ONE. If there is no proof that something is absolute that we can test with our five sense and see with our own eyes then nothing can be said of it unless experienced firsthand. If God exists he/she/it will just have to come on down and make itself known to the whole world. If God made intelligent logical reasoning brains in people it stands to reason he cannot expect those rational minds to just accept blind faith without positive proof of his existence.

I am still waiting for such a revelation and will continue searching but please stop shoving your unproven beliefs down other people's throats if you yourself have no conclusive evidence then what "The Bible" says.