Dan Lietha #fundie

Dan Lietha #fundie answersingenesis.org

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old comment by David B.

Wait the public school system prevents a child from learning that stuff at home, from their parents, as they are supposed to now?

Oh wait it doesn't.

Tell ya what, Dan, we'll allow kids to hear, see and talk about a creator in schools, only not yours, are you okay with that?

Yup, we'll have the teachers stand in front of the class and carefully explain how as well as scientific explanations there is an equally valid alternative explanation for the origin of life an the universe whereby the trimurti of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva brought the world into being according to their grand design. That's just what you want isn't it Dan?

We can tell the kids that in the beginning was the word, and the word was "Om". Cuz that's what you've been campaigning for all this time no?

Sorry? What's that? You meant you want your religion teaching in school, not just a religion.

Oh, well fuck off then.

old comment by Doubting Thomas

David B. wrote:

"Wait the public school system prevents a child from learning that stuff at home, from their parents, as they are supposed to now?"

You don't get it. It's not their kids they're really worried about, it's all the other kids whose parents don't take them to church or Sunday school they want indoctrinated with God and creationism. I'm sure if you ask them, their kids are perfect little godbots, so there shouldn't be any problem with them learning religion. But it's your kids and my kids they want to brainwash as well. That's why they're so intent on trying to get forced prayer back in school. Their own kids will pray on their own, but not all the other heathen kids.

old comment by BobsOldSocks

@Observer

"So its ok to brainwash the religious children instead, with evolution."

How is teaching children facts brainwashing?

"Evolution by the nature of the theory demands a rejection of God to accept it"

No, it doesn't. It's obvious you know nothing about the Theory of Evolution or the evidence that supports it.

"and since there are some non believers in school, naturally they should indoctrinate the "evil" Christians. Right?"

You're the one calling them "evil", when in actual fact the only thing they're guilty of is having their heads filled with lies from almost the day they were born, and passing those lies on to their own children, the poor bastards.

"Religion shouldn't have a place in science and school, but neither should foced atheist indocrination."

And you have evidence for this "indocrination", yes?

old comment by Norman

@Observer
"Evolution by the nature of the theory demands a rejection of God to accept it".

No, you can still be religious and except Evolution. Just as you can be an Atheist and not believe in Evolution. Let me explain.

Raëlism for example can be classed as a creationist group, since they believe that an alien race created us. However, they still count as Atheists they don't believe God made us. At the same time someone can believe quite easily in God and Evolution as being an all powerful being, it does not take much to imagine him or her being able to effect Evolution to his/her own perfect specifications.

Here is a link to the Raëlian wikipedia site and a YouTube user called LittleTruckingBozo who is a Christian that believes in Evolution.

http://www.youtube.com/user/LittleTruckingBozo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%C3%ABlism

When you talk about a rejection of God, I ask you in return, if you are talking about the idea of God in general, or if you are instead mentioning the definition of God in the holy texts.

If the former, I want to know why the image of God creating a self reproducing system is so difficult to imagine, given the things God has done so far. If the latter though, I must question whether you also want me to hate homosexuals as well, since if a rejection of God simply means interprating the holy texts differently, that must mean in tern that excepting a way of life that God deems a sin, must inherently be a direct act against God as well.

I thank you for your time and look forward to your response.

old comment by misshani

@Observer
"Evolution by the nature of the theory demands a rejection of God to accept it"

Schools are supposed to give a reality-based education, not based on myth or superstition. But reality itself, by it's nature, demands a rejection of God to accept it.

That's why you see education as "brainwashing" and "indoctrination". Because the more people know about the real world, the more ridiculous Christianity seems, and you know it. But that's not the school's or the teacher's fault. It's not the textbook's fault or Darwin's fault.

If your all-knowing, all-powerful God really had given man the Truth to begin with, instead of a book filled with contradictions, cruelty, fantasy, and downright lies, you wouldn't have to fear reality changing people's minds, now would you?

old comment by Tails Kitsune

to quote Jay from jay and silent bob strike back. "Maybe it's some kind of supermonkey. What if there's more supermonkeys up at that lab? What if they're creating an army of them? Holy shit. It must be a conspiracy like in the X-Files... Roswell style! This little monkey could be the fuckin' damn dirty ape responsible for the fall of the human race. In this world gone mad, we won't spank the monkey the monkey will spank us. And after the fall of man, these monkey fucks'll start wearing our clothes and rebuilding the world in their image. Oh, and only those as super-smart as me will be left alive to bitterly cry "You maniacs! Damn yous! Goddamn yous all to hell!"

i just had to say that...

old comment by David B.

Observer, when you repeated that falsehood last time I pointed out to you that one of the standard texts from which evolution is taught was written by a Catholic, Kenneth Miller.

To that you can add the Chairman of the AAAS, Francisco Ayala, an active Christian and former Dominican priest, and palaeontologist Robert Bakker who is also a Ecumenical preacher, or any of the 12,000+ active clergy (and 400 practising rabbis) who signed their names to a letter supporting evolution as a "foundational scientific truth" on The Clergy Letter Project.

Or you could look up some of the many people of faith who helped develop or otherwise contributed to the theory of evolution, a distinguished list of names stretching back to Mendel.

Do yourself a favour, stop lying to yourself and others and learn the truth, evolution is not incompatible with either faith or belief in God.

old comment by David B.

"By the way, evolution has been proven false, again and again. Just thought I'd let you know, since you seem to be a bit behind the times."

Let me just check the latest scientific journals...

...nope still valid.

"If you can get a bunch of atheistic, self-congratulatory morons to froth at the mouth you must be something right."

Only if you consider deliberately and knowingly lying in aid of your faith "right". But then most fundies certainly seem to.

Not one person at AIG is in favour of any other creation story but theirs being taught alongside or in place of evolution. They want special treatment for their beliefs alone and they want them to be treated as fact without having put the merest fraction of effort into demonstrating that's indeed what they are.

They break Jesus' golden rule, and a couple of commandments for good measure, and call themselves good Christians for doing it.

Un-fucking-believable!

old comment by dionysus

Yet more proof that the truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off.

Yeah, Christian fundies really seem to foam at the mouth at the mere mention of evolution, so I guess the truth DOES tend to piss people off.

If you can get a bunch of atheistic, self-congratulatory morons to froth at the mouth you must be something right.

Then clearly your standards for doing things right are ridiculous. Why would you be proud of angering morons? Oh, right, because the intelligent people will simply laugh at creationists' ludicrous assertions.

By the way, evolution has been proven false, again and again. And again and again and again.

Really? So who took home the Nobel prize for disproving evolution? Or (more likely) are you just lying for Jeebus?

Just thought I'd let you know, since you seem to be a bit behind the times.

Funny coming from someone who gets their beliefs from a 2000 year old book whose literal interpretation has been rejected for at least 1600 years.

old comment by John

So I guess over 50% of the US must be atheists, including Anglicans, Catholics, Presbyterians, Methodists, Lutherans, UCC ...

"The theory of evolution provides a fruitful and unifying scientific explanation for the emergence of life on earth, and that an acceptance of evolution in no way diminishes the centrality of Scripture in telling the stories of the love of God for the Creation and is entirely compatible with an authentic and living Christian faith."
Episcopal Church: Resolution A129

"In his encyclical Humani Generis (1950), my predecessor Pius XII has already affirmed that there is no conflict between evolution and the doctrine of the faith regarding man and his vocation, provided that we do not lose sight of certain fixed points [i.e., that the ToE can provide a materialistic explanation for the human soul] ..."
John Paul II, Message to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences on Evolution

"God created the universe and all that is therein, only not necessarily in six 24-hour days, and that God actually may have used evolution in the process of creation."
Evangelical Lutheran Church, FAQ

"Neither Scripture, our Confession of Faith, nor our Catechisms, teach the Creation of man by the direct and immediate acts of God so as to exclude the possibility of evolution as a scientific theory. ... We conclude that the true relation between the evolutionary theory and the Bible is that of non-contradiction and that the position stated by the General Assemblies of 1886, 1888, 1889 and 1924 was in error and no longer represents the mind of our Church."
Presbyterian Church U.S. - Evolution and the Bible.

"We find that science’s descriptions of cosmological, geological, and biological evolution are not in conflict with theology."
United Methodist Church - Petition 80050

"The United Church of Christ finds evolutionary theory and Christian faith to be compatible, embracing evolution as a means 'to see our faith in a new way'."
UCC - A Pastoral Letter on Faith Engaging Science and Technology

old comment by shockmeshockmeshockmewiththatdeviantbehavior

#1135110
Observer

Its funny because its true.

depends on how ya look at it. everyone interprets artistic messages differently :D

Evolutionists wont be content utill every school student is forced to renounce God in biology class before learning about evolution.

ohhh suuure right... cuz at the beginning of every class science teachers say "now children...remember... there is NO GOD. And I can prove it... here come take a peek in this microscope or read this biology chart" ... ummm NO. Sorry. You are seriously exaggerating now.

Heaven forbid anyone have a differing opinion on the issue.

Nice shiny mirror you have there... I suppose by this you also agree that the very people you are disputing also have a right to practice and believe their opinion too? Cuz... thats what they are doing.. and so are you by having Sunday schools. Get over it.

Im not saying teach creation eather,

Yes you are. You want both in public schools so its "fair". You want your cake and to eat it too.

but public schools tend to teach evolution from a specific anti-religious slant.

BS. Dont know what school you went to... but mine never did. They simply taught science because it was.. *gasp* SCIENCE CLASS. And how about that... the teacher was a... *OMG* SCIENCE TEACHER! Grow up plz.

I was luck (sic) my professor tought it in a neutral objective way.

Good for you. Two thumbs up. But if he pushes religion or begins preaching about God to discredit Science ... he can ya know... get fired. Lose his teaching license. LOL

Ive known others though that teach it with the intent of disproving God to their students.

Please provide proof and citations to your claim. Ive not seen this but Id like to know if you have accurate statistical results to this claim. If not... it wont fly in your argument. Sorry.

3/19/2010 8:28:09 AM

old comment by shockmeshockmeshockmewiththatdeviantbehavior

http://www.answersingenesis.org/PublicStore/product/War-of-the-Worldviews,4566,224.aspx

What do aliens, dinosaurs and gay marriage have in common?

"They are all part of the culture wara war between two worldviews. One view is based on a biblical understanding of history, the other on pure naturalism. Our educational institutions and the media are on the frontlines of evolutionizing our culture."

GEE. I just love how they can conveniently stuff all the many fauceted multicultural diverse world views and beliefs into two neat tidy little categories: Creationism VS Evolutionism. As if those are the ONLY TWO FUCKING theories, ideas, or beliefs on the planet. This is sickening... and whats worse!... Below you can ORDER books on their bullshit so they can make a profit off their lies. Uggh.

Dan Lietha #fundie answersingenesis.org

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