"Athiests generally have low IQs because they fail to recognize the patternization of bible prophecy and how it relates to real life. One of the key components of IQ tests are pattern recognitions."
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I see a pattern in bible prophecy, its this: If you make enough propecies, some of them will hit; if you make them vague enough, they can almost always be interpreted as accurate.
Explain to us why, then, universities and the intelligentsia have the highest concentration of believers. And why there is a correlation between illiteracy, poverty and religious observance.
Low IQ for Christians - <0.
Low IQ for atheists - <200.
Do you see a problem there, Feach?
It's true that pattern reconition is part of IQ tests. Other key components include making logical deductions and thinking critically.
So...
Please provide an example of "the patternization of bible prophecy and how it relates to real life." Then critically analyze it for internal contradictions and fallacies, and make a logical conclusion about its merits.
I am not atheist but from my experiences, atheists are the more educated. And after reading the Bible and comparing to science and religion, I found it to be bull. And what pattern? I hear people say it is coming to pass. I see it not.
It would really take an unaware person to think this. I don't think I have ever read about a study that has said anything except the opposite of this; in other words its difficult to even fake a study saying fundies are more intelligent.
Though I personally believe that the bigger problem is lack of education, which is why states and nations with lesser rated education systems tend to have more religious populations.
Anybody ever checked your IQ to see if it is a negative number , fetch? You probably wouldn't know a key component of an IQ test if it bit you, dumbass. Unfortunately atheists require that prophecies come true, and since the Bible prophecies have a terrible track record in relating to real life, they seem to have excellent pattern recognition.
The average fundie tends to be an idiot.
Flat Earth, Pluto as a star, rape = marriage, looking at a penis turns a man gay. Yup those are some of the things I've only heard from a fundie. Nothing I would hear from someone with a high IQ.
Atheists have low IQs. No, fundies have low IQs. No, atheists have...
Grow up, people! IQ is a rather poor indicator of intelligence. Believe it or not intelligence has little to do with how well one can score on a test. And if you think that formal education conduces intellectual development, then you've already hit the ceiling.
#511320 wrote:
"You'll notice that people who say "IQ tests aren't a real measure of intelligence" didn't do too great in them. Just sayin'"
No, I don't notice that at all. My IQ is in the top one-tenth percentile, yet I think, because the evidence (as well as common sense) suggests so, that IQ isn't a great predictor of anything--not even scholastic ability.
Be intelligent and do some research before you form opinions.
Lemme see if I've got the pattern:
Mythology, hyperbole, contradiction, ignorant bronze-age observations of nature, repeat.
Is that right?
Actually, atheists tend to have higher IQs, because they are able to comprehend reality without delegating it all to some higher power.
God damn, this board is giving me an inferiority complex. I'm only 138.
IQ tests are no indicator of intelligence as far as I'm concerned. I got something like 126 whereas my fundie parents both got barely >100, and my nephew (who pegs himself on being so smart) took it at the same age as I did and got 103. He's also a creationist. But I was too. See a pattern? This would've been about the time I started to seriously look at science and realize religion was utter bullshit.
~120 here... And, I do see a pattern in regards to the bible - it has been repeatedly shown to be useless in any academic or moral way, and its prophecies are typically vague, or forced.
@ #511320
Actually - those who say IQ tests don't actually say all that much are not somehow bitter at getting a low score, but have (well, at least in my case) read up on the literature and recognise that Prof H. Gardner's Multiple Intelligences theory (which includes elements of traditional IQ theory) is a far more accurate measure of actual and potential attainment.
We've had two or three threads in the Forum lately that consisted largely of contributors describing how intelligent they are. Now it's starting here? I have met many highly intelligent people in my 75 years. Not one has ever alluded to his or her brilliance, nor offered an IQ reading. This is pathetic. If I really want to know how smart you are I'll call your mama.
You realise that > 1 per 20 prophecies has to be true before it is even considered statistically significant to some degree right? (I don't see close to 1 in 20 coming true, and even if you hit that number, it would still be shaky math wise...)
Oh, science doesn't exsist in your world... my bad
@#511320: You'll notice that people who say "IQ tests aren't a real measure of intelligence" didn't do too great in them. Just sayin'
Read Gould's Mismeasure of Man sometime. IQ tests aren't a real measure of intelligence (and I scored 170).
Yeah, uh.... IQ tests aren't that reliable. Especially the Internet version.
I've been tested legitimately 3 times in my life: 140, 135, 100 (I was sick that week). I took an internet one and scored 168. So unless I've somehow increased my brain power in the last couple of years (and it sure doesn't feel like it), I'm not going to rely on that 168 number.
But as far as the OP goes......
What's an 'Athiest'? Is patternization even a real word? How can 'One of the key components of IQ tests' be 'recognitions'?
Solomon Grundy, an atheist who scored 153 last time around and who doesn't think that means very much other than he's good at IQ tests...
Actually, the average IQ of college professors is about 125, which is only the top 10th percentile. Intellectuals aren't necessarily intelligent, but they are privileged members of the "secular priesthood" (to borrow Chomsky's phrase).
#511320... Although IQ tests can be useful, they do possess shortcomings that need to taken into consideration. IQ tests are designed by the educated upper-middle-class and are somewhat biased toward such knowledge and skills that the children of upper-middle-class, dominant-culture, educated parents would be expected to have. A lower score does not necessarily mean that a person is "not intelligent;" some may simply lack the specific type of knowlege and skills that the test is measuring (intelligence as defined by those with the power to do so) or lack sufficient understanding of the test questions (a lack of understanding does not necessarily imply a lack of ability).
Ditto about the cultural bias of IQ tests and the fact there are multiple intelligences. Johnson-O'Connor Institute has good evidence of 17 different aptitudes. However, IQ tests do require the ability to apply logic to many different types of problems. With minimal logical ability, we can see how the fundies are so wrong so often, that the only reasonable explanation left is that they are lying. High IQ does not imply atheism although people with low IQ may not have sufficient ability to determine if a particular argument is good or bad logic. ID has some people that can construct really good sounding arguments (while still being faulty in logic and science) that can fool a large number of people with average IQs. These people can then be easily conned into sending their hard-earned money to these liars. If they did not insist on forcing their lies on everyone else, it would be easier to let them pay their money for their idea of fun, just like all the people who lose money at Vegas for fun. I suggest this is a more appropriate "Pascal's Wager."
Athiests generally have low IQs because they fail to recognize the patternization of bible prophecy and how it relates to real life.
The patternization ? Isn't the patternization that it doesn't relate to real life?
What the hell... I'm not an atheist, but I'll weigh in anyway.
164. Non-believer in the Christian religion. My husband's is 171, and he's an atheist.
You're an idiot.
IQ is a very interesting thing. For some it leads to unbridled arrogance and for others inferiority complexes. E.G. WTF MAN!? My best score is only 2.8 Standards of Deviations out from the mean!!!
The fact of the matter is that IQ tests can yield some useful results, but are based on a large number of assumptions that simply don't hold true all of the time.
Something else of note:belt and a length close to a foot doesn't mean the 90% or so who were born less generously endowed can't make fulfilling contributions to the world of sex.
That metaphor turned out to be a little more graphic (and androcentric!) than it absolutely needed to be, but whatever.
Lastly, making up words isn't necessarily a sign of poor intelligence, and could be a sign of great intelligence if its meaning is instantly recognizable to the intended audience. Nor is necessarily making up new meanings for already existing words a sign of poor intelligence, though I often find it so annoying I'll claim it as such whenever I think I can get away with that sort of misinformation.
Anybody who's enough of a dick to make the bloated metaphor I made can't really be that great of a person.
I typed that as a post in a thread on some hip hop message board, poking fun at an athiest there. I have no idea who copied and pasted it on this website. I never even been to this website nor do I know what it is, someone linked me to this. I'm not an athiest but I'm not even the least bit religious either. What's missing is other posts by me clearly stating I'm not a religious person but there are things written in the Bible that are manifesting themselves in the real world; i.e. the re-birth of Israel as a Jewish state, the rise of the 7 headed serpent (aka rebirth of the Roman Empire = NATO), no buying or selling without the mark of the beast (the Real ID act). Doesn't mean I'm a religious freak, I'm just observant. The above quote shouldn't be taken too seriously, and I would actually consider myself agnostic.
@ Feach
Congratulations! You also made it onto CTSTDT.
Not bad for a non-religious person who believes in Satan, and Biblical prophecy.
So I've noticed.
So now you have to be religious to notice things written in a book happen to have some consistencies in real life, or to believe in Satan or God? So NATO doesn't exist, neither does the Real ID act, and neither does Israel...and none of that was written in the Bible...okay.
Oh, no, Feach. I'm sure you're telling the truth when you call yourself a non-religious agnostic who believes in the Biblical God and Satan. After all, that's the very definition of a non-religious agnostic.
*eyeroll* It's not how smart you are, idiot, it's how you use what intelligence you have. Whatever your IQ is, Feach, you're not applying it well.
Are you now trying to make a correlation between lead poisoning and low IQ agnostics, Feach? Or do you believe that agnostics generally (yourself excluded, of course) have low IQ's?
PS. You've made it for a second time on CTSTDT . *applauds*
Someone using the handle "Jack Bauer" is supposed to embarrass me by telling me his IQ. Yep. You guys are alright. Because nobody has ever used the luxury of anonymity the misfit haven that is the internet has provided to lie about anything and everything about their lives, including IQs. I'd believe anything you post 100% because you have absolutely no reason to lie to me.
Feach, are you sure we haven't seen you here before? "I'm not religious, I just believe in the absolute truth of the Bible" is common enough that you're unlikely to get much reaction to it other than eye-rolling and laughter.
I have a high IQ.
I am, as far as you are concerned, an atheist.
You have no grounds to generalise about the IQ of atheists, low or otherwise.
"patternization of bible prophecy" is a meaningless term.
You might just as well say "patternization of Billy Joel lyrics".
If I posted using my real name - it wouldn't mean any more to you than the handle I use.
Oh - and in real life - I'm way more scary than Jack Bauer.
Feach, are you an atheist yourself? I figure if you're saying such unbelievably retarded things (Medications cause AIDs? Are you fuckin' serious?), you've gotta have an IQ of like 6.
At least you were right about the neo-cons being satanists.
Right. That's why the most famous atheists have always had astonishingly low IQs, like Einstein, Isaac Asimov, Stephen Hawking, Richard Dawkins and... oh, this is just ridiculous.
(FYI? I'm an atheist, and I scored 180+ on my IQ test)
Meh. I.Q's are like penis size: everyone brags about 'em, but they're hardly the end all and be all.
And, while I'm comfortably well set up in both departments, I do acknowledge that those who are lacking may still contribute heavily to society or to the wellbeing of the contents of someone else's pants, depending.
/Blackadder
Also, Feach? Please. An Agnostic who says Atheists have low I.Q.s and believes shit about biblical prophecies that sound like something from RR? We're not gullible.
Regardless, just because you think NATO sounds like 'seven-headed dragon' and you see similarities bvetween 'nummber of the beast' anb... er, whatever it was you thought, doesn't mean there ARE similarities.
I see the pattern. Some people are lazy, so they conspire to push some fantastical idea on the populace to force them to do stuff for the lazy people. No, it makes sense to me: religion has always been a device for controlling the populace. The fact that it has been perpetuated over so many centuries also tells me that most people on this planet rather be dominated than risk thinking for themselves, or that they are just plain stupid.
You're right, IQ tests do have pattern recognition parts in them. The thing is, they ask you to find patterns that are actually there, unlike Bible prophecy, which puts patterns onto world events that aren't even there.
Confused?
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