F.Y.I. The reason why a lot of Jews and Christians don't follow Islam is because either they hate Muslims simply because we have a different belief system, or, they know that our belief system is the true belief system and don't want to admit the fact that they've been living a lie. That was more along the lines of most Christians though, because most Jews know the deal and choose to ignore it, which is way worse.
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Or maybe you're Muslim because you believe in Muhammed's teachings, Christians are Christians because they believe in Jesus's teachings, and Jews are Jewish because of the Old Testament and subsequent writings. You know, just a thought.
Praetyre
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5/19/2007 2:52:54 AM
The reason we do not follow your religion, my dear, is because it is a bizarre fascist gobbledegook made by a schizophrenic pedophile that makes the OT God look like Santa Claus.
Do you realize how fucking stupid this little comment makes you look? DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ISLAM, ANYTHING ABOUT ITS HISTORY... OR ANYTHING AT ALL ABOUT A CULTURE AND A BELIEF DIFFERENT THEN YOURS?
Enough with the caps.. I'll end with this. Maybe instead of making up complete bullshit about something you know nothing about, you might actually want to learn about it? Eh?
They don't because some of you blow yourselves up and choose to kill infidels, because you force women to cover themselves and treat them as chattel and because science in Koran is crappy, well, like all the science fourteenth centuries ago. That´s more accurate.
@Drece, Master of Ad-Hominem
I know a lot about Islam. Ask me anything.
To give you a sample;
I know Islam is a supposedly (it claims to be) Abrahamic monotheistic religion that believes in a singular, absolutely omnipotent (though not necessarily "good" in human terms, though described in his 99 attributes as all merciful) god called Allah, who is considered by the religion and some non Muslims to be YHVH of the Christians and Jews. I know Islam was founded in the 7th century by an Arab called Muhammad, held to be the last of many prophets, including Christ (called Isa, having Judas put in his place, and being carried to Heaven by angels). Islam is focused around 5 pillars, Shahadah (The profession that there is there is NO god but Allah and Muhammad is his prophet), Salah (5 times a day prayer that is preced by ablution), Zakat (alms-giving), Sawm (fasting from food, drink and sex during day time in the month of Ramadan in October.) Hajj
(the trip of any able bodied Muslim once a lifetime to Mecca, where a meteorite fell from the sky and Allah commanded Adam to make a shrine around it, but it (The Kabaa) was later converted into a pagan worship site).
Yay, Fundie Muslims!
Really though, change the word Islam to Christianity, Jews and Christians to Jews and Muslims, and well, you can see my point.
It's so funny how the Fundies don't really get just how similar they all are.
F.Y.I. somebody doesn't read his Koran. Or he missed the bit where Jews and Christians are going to heaven anyway.
I'm starting to think Fundie-ism is its own religion, with converts from every other. (I have yet to meet a Buddhist fundie, but hey, it could happen.)
Praetyre, Where the hell did your post come from then? Calling the prohphet a Pedophile, calling the religion facist, or pretty much any of your post has absolutly nothing to do with Islam.
By the way Upallnite, I'm pretty sure I know more about my religion then you do.
Man, you think this guy is Fundie? Look at your own posts.
Mister J. It is actually a common belief of Muslims, that their Christian and Jewish brothers will ascend to heaven because they also believe in God.
Really, its only the extremist farts who completely ignore these passages.
@Mister J:
"Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish
(scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in
Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward
with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve." (2:62)
So sayeth the Koran.
I believe Muhammad was a pedophile because the Muslim's own books record he married and had sex with a 9 year old girl. I'm sure we can all agree 9 year olds are kids, and pedophila is sexual attraction to kids.
These are taken from Faithfreedom, which sources them from a university;
"Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
Some Muslims claim that it was Abu Bakr who approached Muhammad asking him to marry his daughter. This is of course not true and here is the proof.
Sahih Bukhari 7.18
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry.""
This is not a non Muslim biography. This is the Hadith, considered second only to the Qur'an by Muslims. So I'm not saying Mo was a pedo, the Muslims own texts are.
Islam is fascist because; http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/cruelty/long.html
Before you INEVITABLY do the leftist kneejerk reaction of "OT DID BAD TOO!";
(http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Bible-Quran-Violence.htm )
(http://www.christian-thinktank.com/quranlike.html )
(http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2006/06/which-is-more-violent-bible-or-quran.html )
Fundies of every flavor(Christian,Jewish,Muslim,etc.),I could truly care less how much you think your religion is the right one and how you feel you must worship it. My problem comes when you say your religion is the only one and everyone must worship it!
I'm not trying to convert anybody to my religion. I'm merely pointing out that Islam is a highly violent and intolerant religion, even more so than Fundie Christiantiy, and that it's last prophet was no Christ.
As far as the post goes, this sounds like a version of the christians claiming that atheists REALLY know of god and his powers but are purposefully trying to piss him off. Which is rather funny since a skeptic would believe something proven to exist. And a religion fan will deny the proven if it contridicts his/her religion.
I agree with flipper on this. Drece, you also mentioned the other day that an atheist should look at all religions before making up ones mind. But the thing is, to me, the jewish, christian, hindu, muslim and American indian religions are all of the same basic ilk. That man is controlled to some exent by a god or gods that don't do anything tangible, claim to be above making personal experiences, claim to be the one and only way to a heaven that no one has seen. To me it's like claiming Superman is an absurd impossiblity, yet The Flash is a real guy who can run at the speed of sound. I personally don't need to meet each and every member of the justice league to know that none of them really exist.
"F.Y.I. The reason why a lot of muslims don't follow christianity is because either they hate christians simply because we have a different belief system, or, they know that our belief system is the true belief system and don't want to admit the fact that they've been living a lie.
Fixed.
Well lets see Praetyre, those Hadiths are twisted greatly from what was orignally said, and the little site you posted, WAS COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTEXT. Have you even read the Quran? At the time of the prophet the youngest age of marriage was no lower then 14 for women, and 18 for men. You have not read the Quran, and you no doubt have never actually spoken with an actual Islamic Professor. You might as well be using out right lies.
Next time you might actually want to study the religion before you condemn it.
Oh and Redhunter, I can use the same logic to.
I already know that god exists, so obviously I don't need to find out why people believe he doesn't.
If you condemn something before you even try to understand it, your the same as the fundamental Christians who do the same thing.
Drece
#249862
5/21/2007 5:30:40 AM
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Oh and Redhunter, I can use the same logic to.
I already know that god exists, so obviously I don't need to find out why people believe he doesn't.
That's just retarded. You don't "know" your god or any other exists, you BELIEVE it does. HUGE difference. And I don't care if you think about why I don't believe or not, that's the difference between religionist dogma and atheists; we don't feel the need to convert.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religions
Now please, go to this link and tell me that you've looked seriously into each and everyone of these other religions before deciding on yours. Of course not, so why do you expect the same from me?
If you condemn something before you even try to understand it, your the same as the fundamental Christians who do the same thing.
No. I'm not. I know enough of it to know that it is based on the belief of an invisible man. That a proclaimed messiah said this, and said that, and we should all kiss his butt. Same story, a different temple/mosque/church/whathaveyou.
I only need to see as far as miracles and curses and thunder coming down from heaven to know that it is beyond the realm of reality and into the supernatural. Supernatural stuff doesn't happen. Therefore, all religions claiming that all jews were turned into apes, or that dead people are reanimated left and right, ants can talk, woman are half-worth of men and are inherently dirty and unclean.
If your religion involves these, or simiarily bizarre and unsubstantiated stories, then I call bullshit. Unless you can explain to me why islam is 'the way' but hinduism or catholicism is wrong.
Redhunter, there is no point in arguing. First off, your saying you do not want to force your religion down my throat (Well, converting that is) yet you say that I am wrong without giving any proof, and only using your opinions.
And Redhunter, its quite obvious you know nothing about these religions. So please, do not say that you are right and I am wrong. Say you believe that you are wrong, or at least be tolerant of others.
Did you know there is such thing as fundamental Atheist? Maybe I'm just misinterpreting your words, but by the look of it, your as much a fundamentalist as this guy, and could very well be quoted and put on the board.
@Drece
How the hell is "'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old" out of context? Does it really mean she was married at 36 and smoked pot and jumped through hoola hoops? I don't talk to Islamic professors, I listen to Khomeini and non taqiyya folks. Stop accusing me of being ignorant and answer the questions. Also, cite your source for the age of marriage around that time.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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