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It does not say God created man and woman in chapter 1. In verse 27 it say that God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him ( singular); male and female created he them (plural).

Adam had both male and female organs. In other words Adam had the capacity to reproduce within himself. No contradiction.

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old comment by Redhunter

Puck

Is that actually from the bible or is it apologetics? Because I don't remember it explaining who "Our" was supposed to refer to.

And if god made everything in his image, it would be strange that he would include the angels and say "OUR", especially considering that the war in heaven had already claimed a third of the angels. Making more that were like them doesn't seem smart or responsible (unless rebellion was on the table that whole time then this is just par for the course).

And lastly, the first five books of the old testament, including of course Genesis are taken wholesale from the Torah. Judaism in its early stages was polytheistic. So in the earliest texts of the Torah, they really did mean "our" image to mean "the gods". There are 35 mentions of "gods" in the christian bible; 17 of those references are in the first five books, the jewish texts. Coincidence? I don't think so.

old comment by Redhunter

Puck
@Redhunter, my source is the "heretical" Apocryphon of John from the Naj Hammadi codices.

Heretical, because "god" (Irenaeus of Lyon) said so. Scholars knew about Apn.Jn. because of Irenaeus' commentary. A fragment was deciphered from the Berlin Codex, but the full version was not realized until the NH books were found.

Validity? Same actors, same era, same subjects.

I've actually just gotten hold of a slough of those texts; Dialogue of the saviour, book of giants etc. The only one I've read is the infancy of st thomas which I went through a year ago. They are very interesting in showing what you were referencing; WHO decided what was inspired or not. It's amazing that something like "inspired by god" can't be instantly known, it has to be VOTED on over the course of decades.

Men claimed that texts were inspired, but they were voted against. Apparently then, the men were heretics for declaring that god spoke to them when the council claims that he didn't.

So the "inspired" works by god, and the "blasphemous" lies of satan are so close, the church can't even tell them apart without a vote!

Personally my favourite apocryphal texts so far are the ones where jesus runs around like a spoiled brat, cursing a kid for DISTURBING THE SURFACE OF A PUDDLE! Fuck me blue, jesus is a BITCH! He's a fucking kid, jesus, he throws shit in puddles. But no, jesus runs away from his parents and acts all snotty, like they should've known that he was in the temple because he said something like that before that time, and they were just supposed to be able to figure it out.

And he goes on some Omen-inspired child-maniac spree, crippling and killing people, and then "fixing" them again. I couldn't help feel sorry for M and J in the story, how would you like to try and discipline a kid like that? Jo is already steamed about this whole, "Virgin Birth" thing anyway (as the late great sam kinison said; "Joseph is going, 'Son of god'? All right. But hear this; This better be the ONLY son of god, all right? Guys are already giving me shit at work, "Hey joseph, how's the 'Son of GOD'?").

old comment by Alena

The Origin of Love
As sung by Rufus Wainwright

When the earth was still flat, and the clouds made of fire
And mountains stretched up to the sky, sometimes higher
Folks roamed the earth like big rolling kegs
They had two sets of arms, two sets of legs
They had two faces peering out of one giant head
And they could watch all around them
And they talked while they read
And they never knew nothing of love
It was before the origin of love
Origin of love

And there were three sexes then
One that looked like two men glued back to back
Called the children of the sun
And similar in shape and girth were the children of the earth
They looked like two girls rolled up in one
And the children of the moon were like a fork shoved on a spoon
They were part sun, part earth, part daughter, part son
Origin of love

Now the gods grew quite scared of our strength and defiance
And Thor said:
"I'm gonna kill them all with my hammer
Like I killed the giants."
And Zeus said:
"No, you better let me use my lightning, like scissors
Like I cut the legs off whales
And dinosaurs into lizards."
Then he grabbed up some bolts
And he let out a laugh, said:
"I'll split them right down to the middle
Gonna rip them right in half."
And then storm clouds gathered above
Into great balls of fire

And the fire shot down
From the sky in bolts
Like shining blades of a knife
And it ripped right through the flesh
Of the children of the sun
And the moon, and the earth
And some Indian god
Sewed the wound up into a hole
Pulled it 'round to our belly
To remind us of the price we pay
And Osiris and the gods of the Nile
Gathered up a big storm
To blow a hurricane
To scatter us away
In a flood of wind and rain
And a sea of tidal waves
To wash us all away
And if we dont behave
They'll cut us down again
And well be hopping round on one foot
Looking through one eye

Last time I saw you
We had just split in two
You were looking at me, and I was looking at you
You had a way so familiar
But I could not recognize
'Cause you had blood on your face
And I had blood in my eyes
But I could swear by your expression
That the pain down in your soul
Was the same as the pain down in mine
That's the pain
Cuts a straight line down through the heart
We call it love
So we wrapped our arms around each other
Trying to shove ourselves back together
We were making love
It was a cold dark evening such a long time ago
When by the mighty hand of Jove
It was the sad story
How we became lonely two-legged creatures
It's the story of
The origin of love
That's the origin of love, origin of love, origin of love

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