[On AnsersInGenesis.org]
The point of AiG is not to supplement or replace the bible. Its purpose is to demonstrate that the claims of the anticreationists--- that believing the bible is anti-scientific,that creationism has been "debunked"-- are false.
We believe, regardless. But we are commanded to always have an answer. It is not a sin to use the mind that God gave you to reason with those who reject God's word, and to encourage the brethren who are battered daily by the deceitful and scornful.
WE are told to give a witness. A witness is a personal account of what one has experienced. Are not the things that these God-fearing scientists studied and discovered--- that they have had revealed to them-- part of their personal experience?
And if "Nobody has ever been persuaded by a scientific argument" is true, then why are atheists absolutely driven to fits of spitting rage and fear by the very existence of AiG?
Answer: because alternative worldviews, presented scientifically, are a mortal threat to their hegemony. And they know it, right down to the core of their coal-black little hearts.
So God bless the AiG, and more power to them. May their testimony shake the pillars of the earth.
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why are atheists absolutely driven to fits of spitting rage and fear by the very existence of AiG?
I've never seen spitting rage or fear, but I've seen plenty of frustration at the level of ignorance on display there.
Prove the real-world validity of your claims. That's all we ask. And please don't expect that the agglomerated "belief" of millions has any more validity than a single proven scientific principle.
"Pillars of the earth".... Shake all you want.
How long ago was it, that millions of people KNEW the Earth was flat? Now we have satellites orbiting the world, Trans-Atlantic and Trans-Pacific flights...do I need to go on?
Sometimes, many, many people can be wrong, too. And most of us don't ask for you to change your beliefs. just that if you're intent that we change ours, you back yourself up with more than "THE BIBLE SAYS SO!"
"May their testimony shake the pillars of the earth."
Which, of course, are real pillars, that somehow we've never found.
"we are commanded to always have an answer"
Even if it's a load of hooey.
"why are atheists absolutely driven to fits of spitting rage and fear by the very existence of AiG?"
More like mild annoyance at your obvious attempts to obfuscate and deny valid scientific arguments.
"alternative worldviews, presented scientifically, are a mortal threat to their hegemony"
Funny, I'd say the same about you.
"the pillars of the earth"
Would those be the pillars that the turtles are standing on?
AiG and "presented scientifically" are oxymorons. If you wish to believe in your religion's creation story(or stories in the case of Judeo-Christians) among the hundreds of different creation stories from hundreds of religions, that is fine. But if you suggest that this religious dogma be taught outside your church and in my kids' school as science we have a problem.
The proof for *creationism* is a shitload of anecdotal evidence and a book.
If scientists don't accept your proof, I hardly call that being driven to fits of rage and fear.
Don't pat yourself on the back. Your alternative world view is not a mortal threat, but your willful stubbornness and inability to see reason can be dangerous.
Now fuck off.
I don't know anyone "driven to fits of spitting rage and fear" by any of the variety of creation myths.
What I do know, is that scientists, educators, and other citizens are concerned that knowledge itself may be subjected to the whim of a superstitious electorate.
As far as the scientific claims of creationist, those are either:
1. focus on minor controversies of the ToE.
2. use confusing and nonsensical terms, such as "macro vs micro evolution" and so on, to give themselves a scientific sounding diatribe to a non-educated public
3. Scoundrels who use any tired arguement, or false arguement, to peddle their wares in a variety of "christian" bookstores and other venues.
As for any real competition to the ToE, there is currently no competing theory.
"It is not a sin to use the mind that God gave you to reason with those who reject God's word, and to encourage the brethren who are battered daily by the deceitful and scornful."
Is that the fundie way of saying - "It's OK to resort to lies to defend your position."?
"And if "Nobody has ever been persuaded by a scientific argument" is true, then why are atheists absolutely driven to fits of spitting rage and fear by the very existence of AiG?"
RHJ, imagine an organisation has taken your bible and selectively edited it so that it looks like Jesus promoted beastiality. Now imagine that they take their corrupted "good book" and try to use it to convince men, women and children that beastiality is the right way to behave, that Jesus wants them to "lie down with the lamb". Let's also imagine these people put a lot of money into promoting their organisation, let's call it "Animals on Genitals" or "AoG", build costly museums full of animatronic depictions of the holiness of full-on zoophilia, Balaam taking it up the ass, Jesus riding his donkey on Palm Sunday, etc. Maybe a fancy website full of lengthy rebuttals of other versions of the bible, backed by passages from their own bible as proof. Finally, imagine that these people want their version of the bible taught in all Sunday schools, want equal time in church pulpits, and accuse anyone who disagrees with those aims of censorship, or claim that they "fear the truth" and its threat to their own little religious "hegemony".
Imagining all that? Good.
Do you think some Christians might be a little peeved at a scumbag collection of deluded idiots trying to twist everything to fit a bunch of screwy beliefs that can't stand up to 5 minutes of honest scrutiny?
'We believe, regardless.'
And with that, you remove yourself from any form of meaningful scientific enquiry...
I went to Disneyland once...
DUUUDE! There really ARE big talking rodents! I saw them!
ALL HAIL M____M___!(R)(TM)
Oh, and you AiGers have absolutely no validity until you design your very own Funny Hats.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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