On the contrary, no one is easier to manipulate than atheists! They have no moral anchor. Who but amoral, soul-dead, atheists could have committed the evil that was done under the direction of Hitler, for instance?
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Hitler was not an atheist, to begin with. And guess who manipulated?, yes, Christians!!!, to the point that the Vatican didn´t dare to condenm his regime. And who manipulated whom by the fraud the protocols of the Elders of Zion?, who believes that Harry Potter is demonic basing their assumptions on the Onion?, I have more examples.
"On the contrary, no one is easier to manipulate than atheists!"Oh, come on! Historically, one of the primary functions of Christianity and other religions has been to manipulate the masses. Get a clue, dipshit.
"They have no moral anchor."
We DO have moral anchors. We make them ourselves through reason and experience. We do not require the "anchor" of imaginary friends and ancient scriptures.
"Who but amoral, soul-dead, atheists could have committed the evil that was done under the direction of Hitler, for instance?"
I am not "amoral." I have good, functional ethics.
Until you prove that souls exist, you have no basis for saying that my soul is dead.
You know, Hitler was a Christian. Most of the people who committed heinous acts under Hitler were Christians, too.
On the contrary, no one is easier to manipulate than atheists!
This manipulation bit can be tested with observation.Who keeps voting for amoral sociopaths that never follow up on their promises?
Well, Christians . They keep voting for Republicans that promise family values and an end to abortion, but these politicians then proceed to break every commandment, numerous laws, and make no move to end abortion.
When's the last time atheists were manipulated?
Damn, this is a tough one! In bed last night?
On the contrary, no one is easier to manipulate than atheists! Examples please. What is the atheist equivalent to the Ummin and Thummin? Did you know that in the middle ages there were enough pieces of the "True Cross" to build the ark?
They have no moral anchor.
Unlike the moral anchor which allowed the crusades and the Iraq invasion.
Who but amoral, soul-dead, atheists could have committed the evil that was done under the direction of Hitler, for instance?
Answered already. Not the atheists
"Who but amoral, soul-dead, atheists could have committed the evil that was done under the direction of Hitler, for instance?"Hitler zombie slouched away, picking scraps of Mullah's brain out from between its rotted teeth and murmuring, "More brains..."**
**Translated from the German.
Just try to manipulate me, Muthah, er, Mullah, and you'll see how "easy" it is.
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"Who but amoral, soul-dead, atheists could have committed the evil that was done under the direction of Hitler, for instance?"
Marc Hauser and Peter Singer have published their work on the origin of a moral sense. They have found:
So you think your religion has made you better then the rest of us, that's obvious, but the contridiction here is that you don't even know what YOU are talking about. You are a parrot. Some other halfwit told you that hitler was an atheist and you believe the lie.
Christians have been committing evil since their religion started. Ignorant fool. Hitler said he was lead by GOD.
Sorry, bub, we're not the ones who can be persuaded by Joe Schmoe saying "God came to me in a vision and said we have to [insert random cruelty here]." Or the Führer saying that in ridding the world of Jews he was doing the Lord's work, for that matter.
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someone: An article or blog I read recently quoted extensively from the same book from which that quote comes (Hitler's Tabletalk , I believe it's called), pointing out further context for that quote as well as presenting numerous other quotes that show Hitler's opinion to be exactly the opposite of what this seems to show.
Hitler was a Christian, you zealot.
God wills it?
Hitler wasn't an atheist. Even if he was it wouldn't matter. Every atheist is an individual and if he wants to kill millions of people it has nothing to do with other atheists. Atheists are independent thinkers.
"Who but amoral, soul-dead, atheists could have committed the evil that was done under the direction of Hitler, for instance?"
On the contrary, no one is easier to manipulate than atheists! They have no moral anchor.
Sigh. I like to complain that Christians simply refuse to accept that atheists can be moral too and are often more moral than they are. However, that's mainly because I don't want to consider the much more terrible truth that Christians don't believe morality exists. When they say "morality," they really mean "blind obedience to authority."
Who but amoral, soul-dead, atheists could have committed the evil that was done under the direction of Hitler, for instance?
Who but atheists?
Maybe Christians, like Hitler?
Who but amoral, soul-dead, atheists could have committed the evil that was done under the direction of Hitler, for instance?"
Hitler wasn't an atheist, to begin with. And the anchor theory is tricky. What if the anchore is insecure, or just doesn't exist, or is based in a faculty taht we all have called reason?. If people need to consult a being they can't see to do things, I understand where the shots go.
Really though, everyone had to do what Hitler wanted under pain of death. They were tricked into letting him be a dictator, but then living in America under the Bush regime I have a hard time getting on a high horse about that one.
People, generally, are pretty easy to manipulate under the right cicrumstances (say, the economic devastation following WWI) and while the people who were willing to work in death camps or seriously support Hitler are inexcusable, on the part of everyday people who were convinced of nationalistic goals, it's harder to judge them.
In other words, it doesn't have much to do with their religion (though they mostly weren't atheist).
No one is easier to manipulate than people with poor educations in an economic depression who are willing to be in denial in order for some stability in their lives! just doesn't sound as good, though, ey Mullah?
The Nazis had "God is with us" on their belt buckles. Doesn't sound very atheist to me.
And history has taught us that a vast number of atricities have been commited because people were following the commands of somebody that claimed to be relaying God's Will.
I have never met an atheist that was "amoral". I have however encountered many fundamentalist Christians who's only sense of morality came from their religion and who would clearly be pyschopathic murderers if they weren't scared of being roasted for eternity by their invisible sky daddy. Which is pretty pathetic.
I personally get my morals from an innate desire to not be a douchebaggish waste of space. I don't need a book written by ignorant nomads that thought the world was flat to tell me how not to be a douchebaggish waste of space.
You are, I take it, unfamiliar with the concept of "the banality of evil"? Not too many people actually think of themselves as depraved and evil. On some twisted level, the thugs currently cracking down on the population of Myanmar probably think a military dictatorship is actually good for the country.
People tend to follow orders, even if the orders are decidedly inhumane. Look up "Milgram's obedience study". (I'd reference Kitty Genovese as well, but from what I've read, the traditional account of that particular horror story is actually rather unlikely when analyzed.)
The amoral soul-dead Christians, who by far outnumbered the few atheists that might have joined the SS, SA, Hitler Jugend or Bund Deutcher Mädel.
The atheists do have moral anchor. But theirs is not God-says-so, but treat others with kindness and respect, just as you want to be treated. What goes around comes around.
If we're so damned easy to manipulate, why can't you idiots manipulate us into believing in your fairy tales, hmm?
For an all-powerful superhero, your gawd seems to be awfully impotent when it comes to making people do what he wants them to do.
Gott Mit Uns
Look it up dimwit.
Hitler was clearly Christian as were most of the German armies. The motto "God with us" was on belt buckles for example.
What group of religeous peoples killed entire nations when told to by their God ? thats right, Christians. That a great moral anchor. Thou shalt not kill, except everyone I tell you too.
Hitler was a Christian (or claimed to be, anyway) and so were the vast majority of his supporters.
Also, you scare the fuck out of atheists when you talk like this.
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"no one is easier to manipulate than atheists! They have no moral anchor. Who but amoral, soul-dead, atheists could have committed the evil that was done under the direction of Hitler, for instance? "
Oh, I dunno...:
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(The above translates as 'God With Us', for the hard of thinking out there; you know who you are. )
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'And now Staatspräsident Bolz says that Christianity and the Catholic faith are threatened by us. And to that charge I can answer: In the first place it is Christians and not international atheists who now stand at the head of Germany. I do not merely talk of Christianity, no, I also profess that I will never ally myself with the parties which destroy Christianity. If many wish today to take threatened Christianity under their protection, where, I would ask, was Christianity for them in these fourteen years when they went arm in arm with atheism? No, never and at no time was greater internal damage done to Christianity than in these fourteen years when a party, theoretically Christian, sat with those who denied God in one and the same Government.'
-Adolf Hitler
...you tell me. Eh, P-G...?!
At least, for some agnostics like me, your own moral standards are indeed very relative and questionable. Especially when you also misrepresent facts. Hitler was Christian. Honesty is an important value.
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