Okay, if you really want me to adopt a principle, I'll take this one:
"Science education should only concern itself with presenting scientific knowledge, scientific methods, the philosophy of science and its criticism."
Great, now ID has a place in science class. Including discussion of all its various flaws both scientifically and philosophically.
[Perhaps I'm missing something here, but how would redefining a science course's curriculum in that way lead to teaching ID? I mean, it's still not a scientific theory.]
I don't see how that objection makes sense unless I assume only science can be taught in science class, which I clearly don't.
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Okay genius, we got it! ID teaches that things need a helping hand from god to get them to the point they are at right now. Is that good enough?
I don't see how that objection makes sense unless I assume only science can be taught in science class, which I clearly don't
Great, now ID has a place in science class. Including discussion of all its various flaws both scientifically and philosophically.
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I think that he has 2 different kinds of "science", probably the physics, chemistry etc kind and something like "applied science" (which we like to call "technology"). If you look at it like that, he would make something less of a fool out of himself. But I don't want to check context, I like my brain cells.
The problem would be that ID is in direct conflict with established "scientific knowledge," "Scientific method," and "scientific philosophy."other than science in science class, then it's hardly "science" class, is it?
And am I wrong or did this guy just admit that ID is not , in fact, "science..."
Anytime your leading principle is that a "guiding force" caused something to happen, your theory has left the realm of science and reason, and entered the area of metaphysics and superstition.not science.
The "Eat your cake and have it too" award?
Yes, science isn't the only thing that should be taught in science class.
I went to a public school that forced its biology teachers to teach ID. Mine took the opportunity to show us how it failed without actually saying so. Most of the other teachers just refused to teach evolution because then they'd have to lie to us and tell us that ID was an actual competing scientific theory.
So, even if you could force your way through the courts you fail in practice.
Actually, my astronomy professor actually had a day sort of like this. It was like "Philosophy of Science" and it talked about how/why people wanted perfect symmetry of the heavens, what happened when heliocentrism contradicted the Church, what's happening now with cosmology and religion, what defines science as opposed to religion, etc. It was an interesting day, but it was just that - a day. (Well, and a few rabbit-trail digressions throughout the semseter, too.)
Confused?
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