Hell, just go to Detroit or Chicago. Plenty of it there.
That aside, Pop Sci lost me when it sold out to the Gorebull Warming myth. As for the subject, wanna know WHY there's an obsession with finding dark matter? Here's the undiscussed reason: they are desperate to find something that supports the notion of an endlessly cycling universe of Big Bangs and Big Crunches, so that Event One can become just the latest in an infinite series rather than the one and only Big Bang.
If they can find enough "dark matter" to add its gravity to "light" matter, they can show that the universe will ultimately stop expanding and collapse into itself. They can then reject the necessity of God as the Prime Mover of creation. In short, it's a way to justify atheism.
Old saying: the closer we get to the beginning of the universe, the closer we are to looking into the face of God. Atheists are hoping beyond hope that when we get there, we will see nothing and no One.
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So are you, in fact, admitting that if scientists do, in fact, discover dark matter, that there is, in fact, no God?
Do you really think that theoretical physicists give two shits about somehow disproving the existence of God?
I assure you, they're too busy trying to find and explore new physics to give a damn one way or another about questions of theology.
As for the subject, wanna know WHY there's an obsession with finding dark matter?
Maybe for the same reason they are "obsessed" about anything.
Curiosity.
Something fundies seem to fear above all else. And what's worse is you guys aren't satisfied with denying yourself knowledge, you try and prevent others from learning because you are sooo terrified that your worldview will be proven wrong, and that people will stop listening to you.
Why? Because they want to learn new things and hopefully use it to the benefit of humankind.
I have news for you, Doc Dumb; they have alreday rejected the necessity of any gods as - well - anything. Atheism needs no justification, it's a relationship with reality.
"If they can find enough "dark matter" to add its gravity to "light" matter, they can show that the universe will ultimately stop expanding and collapse into itself."
Dark energy. Try to keep up.
"Atheists are hoping beyond hope that when we get there, we will see nothing and no One."
Fundies are hoping against hope that they will find a god in that gap.
Global warming isn't real? Quick, someone tell the icecaps! They keep melting as if global warming exists.
As for the subject, wanna know WHY there's an obsession with finding dark matter?
The same reason there was an "obsession" with finding the Higgs Boson, quarks, atoms, DNA, extrasolar planets, etc.: to increase the knowledge of mankind and to get recognized for your contribution. If you're too cynical to believe that could motivate anyone, the Nobel Prize is kind of a good motivator.
Fuck you moron.
(sorry, but I'm getting tried of these brain-dead types with their absolutely stupid crap)
Dark matter is one suggested solution to the mystery of missing material in the universe. Indeed, I heard on Christian scientist (not the Mary Baker Eddy crowd, but the oxymoron) suggest that the discovery of real dark matter will support intelligent design.
Stupid all the way around.
Ah ha! They're running scared now, as the more we learn about reality the further away from bogus fantasy drivel we get.
But no Doctor, your conjecture that scientists, by their efforts, hope to justify atheism is obviously absurd. If scientists' work does make life more tricky for theists, who after all are already over their ears in numpty apologetics, and shows atheism in a better light, then it's just a happy accident.
In any case, atheism does not need science to justify itself, we have the Bible for that. Doctor, I urge you to read it, you'll be an instant atheist.
How do you know that the scientists at CERN aren't generating Dark Matter via the Large Hadron Collider...?!
Just a thought, Duckturd Dumb...! [/CTSTDT] >:D
...oh, and Boston Strong , you terrorist-lover.
DoctorDumb, what does The Big Bang have to do with Al Gore & Global Warming?
Also, as a now-eclectic NeoPagan spiritual Pantheist, I personally believe what the dark matter would prove....that the universe eternally creates, sustains, dissolves & recreates again...like the mythical phoenix.
Since, in my worldview...Divine, Material, Mental & Spiritual are all aspects of the same thing in a Qualified Monist whole, dark matter won't affect my spiritual walk one iota!
The sooner the Orthodox Abrahamic worldview dies, the better!
re. God: "The model works without that assumption." - Pierre-Simon Laplace (1749-1827)
One need not justify a negative. You can try to shift the burden of proof all you want, but it's your invisible super-friend that requires justification.
No, the fact already is that the universe is expanding more slowly than it should be based on what we can see - there must be more "stuff" holding it all together; that stuff is named dark matter because we haven't the foggiest notion what it is.
It's not the case that if we find it we're all going to be saying "well this changes our observations of what the universe is doing", because that would be flat out ridiculous.
Oh no, the Evil Liberal Science Conspiracy strikes again. Tell me, what does Doom imagine will happen when scientists observe dark energy (I'm assuming that's what he meant)? Does he imagine that Jesus will jump out, snap Neil Degrasse Tyson's neck for being black (Doctor Doom has made racist rants, if I'm correct), and burn the world in Hell?
"If they can find enough "dark matter" to add its gravity to "light" matter, they can show that the universe will ultimately stop expanding and collapse into itself."
riiight. and? if they can show it, then there's good reason to believe it's true.
"Atheists are hoping beyond hope that when we get there, we will see nothing and no One."
Considering we haven't found this mysterious creature yet, after all the work we've already done, then it's a safe bet that that trend will continue.
Why are you even worried? Since, apparently, God DEFINITELY exists, then scientists definitely won't find this "proof" of the non-existence of God, that they're apparently obsessed with.
"Old saying: the closer we get to the beginning of the universe, the closer we are to looking into the face of God. Atheists are hoping beyond hope that when we get there, we will see nothing and no One."
Well let the scientists get on with it then, and then obviously they'll see God's big grinning face at the start of the universe and the atheists will all go "oops".
"As for the subject, wanna know WHY there's an obsession with finding dark matter? "
"Old saying: the closer we get to the beginning of the universe, the closer we are to looking into the face of God. Atheists are hoping beyond hope that when we get there, we will see nothing and no One."
>That aside, Pop Sci lost me when it sold out to the Gorebull Warming myth.
What is it with imbeciles and puns? The first type of humor children usually learn is puns. They also outgrow them, or at least place them at the bottom of the humor barrel, in favor of more complex types, as their intellects develop. I guess I answered my own question here. People like Doctor Doom have the mentality, and sophistication of three-year olds.
"they are desperate to find something that supports the notion of an endlessly cycling universe of Big Bangs and Big Crunches, so that Event One can become just the latest in an infinite series rather than the one and only Big Bang." Which explains why they're also trying to find Dark Energy, right?
Oh, wait, no it doesn't .
If the existence of Dark Energy is confirmed, it will mean that there will be NO Big Crunch, and no endlessly cycling universes. Dark Energy will drive the universe to keep expanding forever .
Pop Sci lost me when it sold out to the Gorebull Warming myth.
Gore isn't the "inventor" of global warming. GW is real, and it is happening. Gore is just one of those assholes who try to make a profit from a bad situation, kinda like a vulture.
Here's the undiscussed reason: they are desperate to find something that supports the notion of an endlessly cycling universe of Big Bangs and Big Crunches, so that Event One can become just the latest in an infinite series rather than the one and only Big Bang.
Dark matter has got nothing to do with the theories of the big bang or the big crunch. The only reason scientists consider the existence of dark matter is because it helps explain the existence of spiral/elliptical galaxies. Observation of various such galaxies suggests that they don't have enough mass to hold themselves together. If they are indeed remaining intact and not flying apart, it means they literally have more to them than meets the eye. Hence the dark matter theory, which is based more so on deductive logic than actual observation.
"Atheists are hoping beyond hope that when we get there, we will see nothing and no One."
Judging by your generally hate-filled posts, you should be hoping the same.
Doctor Doom, the raving lunitic, racist, homophobic fuckwit and scientfically illiterate moron who has named himself after one of the most brilliant fictional scientists in the comics, this guy is one of the most useless people alive, he spouts unsupported bull shit and declares it fact, he has all the arrogance of the "real" Doom and 200% less intelligence.
Actually, it's the reverse. Scientists calculated the mass of the universe and noticed the visible matter doesn't add up; so they made a hypothesis that most of the universe's mass consists on matter that's difficult to see. The gravity is already measured, what matters now is finding its source.
Confused?
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