Before I left Gerard Bouw’s home, he mentioned to me that his fiercest critics are his fellow Christians. “Non-Christians certainly don’t have a problem with the idea that the Bible is geocentric,” he said. “I am kind of amazed at atheists not taking the creationists to task about geocentricity.”
I studied Bouw’s face, but the comment seemed to be a general one, not directed at me personally. I continued as if the idea of using geocentrism to expose the foolishness of creationism had never occurred to me. “Why do you think they don’t?” I asked.
“I think they’re afraid to do it,” said Bouw. “Because they might lose even worse.”
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For a little more context from the article:
"Gerardus Dingeman Bouw, the president of the Association for Biblical Astronomy and the country’s leading proponent of geocentrism.
In the field of Bible science, young earth creationism is the liberal position. A tiny but fiercely dedicated contingent of scholars holds the more conservative belief that a literal reading of the Bible reveals a universe in revolution around a fixed, central point: the earth. Bouw, who holds a Ph.D. in astronomy from Case Western Reserve, has dedicated his adult life to proving this proposition scripturally and scientifically."
Hmm
When you try and force it into school science classes, then we'll care. Until then, Gerald, we don't really care if you believe the sun is dragged across the sky by a bunch of overworked angels, or the world is shaped like a bowl.
But someone who holds a Ph.D should know better.
“I am kind of amazed at atheists not taking the creationists to task about geocentricity.”
Then you haven't been paying attention, but somehow, I am not amazed.
It's funny, then, that the theory of a geocentric universe has been contradicted by just about every piece of data related to physical cosmology and astronomy gathered throughout mankind's history, from ancient Greece to modern deep space observatories.
Sorry if that conflicts with your self-imposed world-view, but the Earth is simply not the centre of the universe.
Obviously, this poor guy was sent in a time machine from some sad, distant past. He assimilated quite nicely, except for his desperate clinging to old, outdated, and disproved theories.
I have no problem with the idea that Alice in Wonderland could eat a cookie and become very, very tall. That doesn't mean I think there are cookies like that lying around somewhere.
It just means that in the fairy tale, that idea works pretty well.
Geocentricism is just one of the many flaws with a literal interpretation of the Bible. As there are so many, it takes a while to go through them all.
We're afraid to point out idiotic statements that has been debunked more times than there are grains of sand in the Sahara Desert?
That's a good one!
Gerard Bouw - a poster child for failing mental health care in the US.
Not surprising - USA even put mentally insane people on a fake news channel and give them a hour to show off their insanity - only in USA!
Obviously, then, the Solar System is a lie, because Pluto would have to be travelling in excess of the speed of light to make a daily orbit of the Earth. As for the rest of the universe...
Have these idiots ever considered the cosmology of this, or do they reject every bit of science that disagrees with their world view?!
I wonder why these Christians who believe in geocentricity because it's biblical don't also believe in a flat earth with a firmament above which separates the waters above with the waters below, along with floodgates which cause rain? If you're going to deny part of science, why not deny it all?
From the article:
"The Association for Biblical Astronomy, which exists almost entirely as a web site and a quarterly journal, is run out of a cluttered spare room in Bouw’s Brooklyn home."
The Association for Biblical Astronomy: 1 member strong and counting!
How? How can the Earth be the center of the solar system? It doesn't have enough gravity. How the hell could the Earth possibly sustain the Sun's orbit or Jupiter's orbit? Furthermore, NASA has used the heliocentric model to predict the location of each planet for exploration and the probes reached those planets which would be absurdly unlikely if the model was completely wrong. And the final nail in the coffin is that we've watched some of the planets orbit the Sun (Mercury, for example, completes a full revolution every 88 days which is easy to observe) and we have yet to see any planet orbit the Earth. In order for the Earth to be the center of the solar system we'd have to do some MAJOR fucking around with the laws of nature to the point where we'd pretty much have to dump everything we know about astronomy including the gravity and the Theory of Relativity.
RawP wrote:
The truly absurd part of this is that someone who believes the earth is the center of the universe has a Phd. in Astronomy. Surely he had to acknowledge reality in order to attain said Phd?
In a similar vein I once found a Creationist who had a PhD based on his research into the evolution of mosasaurs.
Oh, like they did at Dover...wait...no, that was creationists there...hang on, I gotta really look for evolution losing
>>Bouw, who holds a Ph.D. in astronomy from Case Western Reserve<<
I suspect bullshit here. A preliminary search of Case's alumni site and of Google Scholar shows precisely nothing of this man, unless he changed his name.
Edit: apparently, he actually is named "Gerardus Bouw", and published papers in the early 1970's. He has since ceased to be active in professional astronomy.
What I don't get is how these people think that geocentrism is at a meaningful concept. We could very well claim that the Earth was the center of the universe, and do everything in a rotating coordinate system. But it would make the math harder.
@RawP: he really does.
According to the article, he then voluntarily rejected not just astronomy, but the majority of science.
He's not ignorant. He's a no-foolin' fanatic.
The Nervous Breakdown indeed.
"Because they might lose even worse"?
There is the simple question if your belief contradicts the discoveries of science, and is therefore, scientifically spoken: nonsense, or not. There is no gray area, and i'm afraid that you lost that one hundreds of years ago.
Oh right geocentrism. Just one of the many sciences the Bible fails at. Thanks for giving us more ammo.
Hey everyone, the Bible says the sun revolves around the Earth. Isn't that bullshit?
@Headache: At least we keep an eye on them, unlike "Care in the Community" or whatever Thatcher called it.
@OP: Everyone else said it better. I doubt you leave your house for fear of associating with non-Christians, though, so you probably haven't picked up the wavelengths.
From experience I can say that everytime, and I mean EVERYTIME, someone comes up with the atheist smashing question (you need proof btw, not a question), it turns out that it has either been answered, or it's bullshit to begin with.
(in Carl Sagan's voice) Epicycles upon epicycles...
@ Joe Mama
" If you're going to deny part of science, why not deny it all? "
Well, you can't through the baby out with the flood water, that's just silly :-)
This actually is an important example. There is a logical fallacy called "argument from authority".
Here we have someone with advanced education in astronomy, who is a retired professor of computer science at a small college, making totally nonsensical claims that are contradicted by all of observable reality. This illustrates why arguments from authority are nonsense.
I figured this out myself in second grade, when I found a description of "how reindeer fly" in the non-fiction section of my school's library, but Bouw may be the Most Triumphant Example.
The most interesting thing to me, while reading through the article, is that the guy takes the Bible literally: what does he think, then, about Genesis 1 and 2 ? Or is that just "obviously" a figure of speech?
He also believes this because it's impossible for him to see the complexity of life created without a designer.
I'd keep looking for answers besides "Goddit," but that's just me.
"Non-Christians [accept that] the Bible is geocentric": because it is, and could hardly be otherwise. As a Christian, I don't have a problem with this either. Bouw is manifestly psychotic; what troubles me is that anyone else should think him sane.
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The reason ehy they don't give a rat's ass about your geocentric model is the same why they don't care about the hobo screaming that the trashcan tried to eat him.
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DUDE! I laughed out loud at that! I dunno...I have this mental image of a guy getting eaten by a trashcan...
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