[Classic Albert Mohler on choosing not to have children.]
Christians must recognize that this rebellion against parenthood represents nothing less than an absolute revolt against God's design. The Scripture points to barrenness as a great curse and children as a divine gift.
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The Scripture does not even envision married couples who choose not to have children. The shocking reality is that some Christians have bought into this lifestyle and claim childlessness as a legitimate option. The rise of modern contraceptives has made this technologically possible. But the fact remains that though childlessness may be made possible by the contraceptive revolution, it remains a form of rebellion against God's design and order.
Couples are not given the option of chosen childlessness in the biblical revelation.
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Then your god is an oppressive dickwad. Why force people to have children who REALLY don't want them? And most of all, why put children into families who are only having them out of obligation...this breeds (no pun intended) abuse, resentment, neglect, etc.
Yet another reason I'm not a Christian. I am happily childfree.
Jesus wants women perpetually barefoot and pregnant, and wants houses to be overflowing with noisy and rambunctious fundie children! Fulfill Jesus's will, posthaste; overpopulation crisis and societal contexts be damned!
Christians must recognize that this rebellion against parenthood represents nothing less than an absolute revolt against God's design. The Scripture points to barrenness as a great curse and children as a divine gift.
And if they get out of line, kill them!
The Scripture does not even envision married couples who choose not to have children.
Because the average lifespan was 40 years or so, so many couples had to replenish the population.
The shocking reality is that some Christians have bought into this lifestyle and claim childlessness as a legitimate option.
Possibly because one of the partners can't have children?
The rise of modern contraceptives has made this technologically possible.
And that makes STDs holy!
But the fact remains that though childlessness may be made possible by the contraceptive revolution, it remains a form of rebellion against God's design and order.
Which is why overpopulation is just plain silly.
"The rise of modern contraceptives has made this technologically possible."
Also, when Christians invented abstinence that really helped the no-child movement along.
Christians must recognize that this rebellion against parenthood represents nothing less than an absolute revolt against God's design.
Well then, f*** Him and f*** you too.
But the fact remains that though childlessness may be made possible by the contraceptive revolution, it remains a form of rebellion against God's design and order.
Unless Jehovah intends to pay for those kids maybe He should shut his face.
There is no reason for the dichotomy "everyone should have children" besides moral relativism based on an ancient book of fairy tales. There is no reason to breed endlessly, only abstract ones based on moral relativism based on an ancient book of fairy tales. There is no justification to strip reproductive rights from women except fallacial arguments based on moral relativism based on an ancient book of fairy tales. There is no curse, because the curse doesn't exist. The choice whether to reproduce or not is down the individuals involved, not because some bible thumpers demand MOAR BAYBEEZ.
Oh, and until God's various mouthpieces are prepared to help care for the children they care so much about, implement nationwide support for people on low incomes, stop restricting access to contraception and abortion, and educate children properly about sex. Until they are prepared to do that, they are advised to put a collective sock in it.
Actually, Princess Rot, there is a very good reason for your religion's followers to have as many children as they possibly can. That means your side will have the bigger army when city states start encroaching on each other's turf.
Years ago a Southern Baptist minister told me a joke about St. Peter showing a new comer around Heaven. He told the man that God tried to make everyone happy in heaven by letting them live in peace and happiness. He showed him through happy towns, cities, and villages with everyone visiting, talking, sharing food, hugging, playing with each others kids, and no a single closed door. Then he passed by a huge walled city with a huge locked gate, and told the man, "we can't go in there, that's where the Southern Baptists are, and God makes them happy by letting them act like they are the only one's here."
:: singing ::
Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great
Edit: oops - looks like someone beat me to it! :o)
Really? So they can't choose abstinence, then?
Yeah, I just love it when people try to tell others that they should have kids when they don't want them. Doesn't anyone ever stop to think that, hey, this might be a bad idea? I know even a few fundies would tell this guy to STFU. People shouldn't feel obligated to have kids and no one should pressure anyone to have a kid they don't want. That's just common sense...
And what about the orphans/foster kids? Why aren't the good christians adopting them instead of having as many babies as possible? I guess those kids are just fuck out of luck...
"The Scripture does not even envision married couples who choose not to have children."
Too bad God didn't see that coming, eh?
Seriously, why do you care if other people have children or not? Butt out control freak.
>The Scripture does not even envision married couples who choose not to have children.
The Bible also didn't envision slavery being outlawed (Ephesians 6:5, Colossians 3:22), the earth being round (Revelation 7:1), a medical cause for mental illness (Luke 8:27, Mark 5:2-5), or crop rotation (Leviticus 19:19). The Bible didn't envision a LOT of things. Luckily, somebody else did, or the world would still suck as bad as it did when that rag was written.
The big problem is that the Bible didn't envision scientific method being so stupendously successful that modern medicine would enable nearly all of those children to live to adulthood so they could be fruitful and multiply, too. Apparently, the Bible didn't envision exponential math, either.
Tough shit. I'm still not having kids.
Bacteria breed to breed. We, as a species, have evolved much further than just breeding to breed. We have a higher purpose; seeking wisdom and knowledge, in my opinion. We're not just here to pile babies up senselessly, reproducing like rabbits.
How about you fucktards take care of the children that are here. You know, the ones roaming the streets without parents and the ones living in a shitty foster care system.
The Scripture points to barrenness as a great curse and children as a divine gift.
So, what about women who cannot have children because they were raped repeatedly as a child?
Your God is a grade-a fucking CUNT. Diaf.
@Illuminatalie: Which, of course, is in itself an abstract reason based on an ancient book of fairy tales: make everyone Christian, by force if necessary, and the priests rich and powerful. Jihad for Jesus!
I'd be happy to mail a gob of spooge in a pill bottle to Mr. Mohler. I'm sure he'd know what to do with it. Oh, wait, I've been snipped. Aw shucks. I forgot to have children too. Oh shucky darn, looks like the wife and I are going to hell.
Couples are not given the option of chosen childlessness in the biblical revelation.
Because in the time it was written, the only way to ensure your name remained in Isreal was to have children.
Maybe God will give us revelations for the new era?
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I don't want kids for the following reasons:
1. Watched my sister go into labor with her first when I was sixteen. Scariest fucking thing I've ever seen. I'm not going through that crap.
2. My breasts are already DDD cups. If I had a kid, they'd balloon to twice that size and I have back and neck pain as it is.
3. When my mother had us, ALL of us had something wrong with us. My sister has an extra half vertabrae at the base of her neck and could wind up being paralyzed for the rest of her life if she turns her neck too sharply. My brother had to have emergency surgery when he was born because some of his intestines were connected incorrectly (god's perfect design my ass), and I was born a month premature, was pretty much dead when I came out and had to be revived and placed in an incubator. I also had a cleft pallate. I'm a lot like my mother is, and I'm not going to risk having a kid that's gotta go through life with some sort of horrible, debilitating birth defect that's going to haunt them for life.
4. I just don't have the patience for kids, and would probably wind up shaking a baby if it started screaming non-stop. I would never be able to live with myself after an experience like that and would have to be institutionalized from the guilt of permanantly fucking up an innocent baby.
Still want to call me a "sinner" for not wanting to push out babies, fuckface?
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