Frances Kelly #fundie

Frances Kelly #fundie joemygod.blogspot.com

Gender segregationists will be extremely disappointed when they finally realize how many wedges they created by advocating for separate marriage for genders. There's the wedge between evangelicals and the gay agenda. The wedge between Catholics and gender-segregated 'marriage.' The wedge between parents and homosexual propaganda in school. The wedge between businesses and their money when they are sued by monogender couples. The wedge between freedom of religion, and coercing people of faith to obey new gender-segregating marriage laws. The wedge between procreative biology, and the infertility of two 'married' men. Which came first, the pro-gender position or the wedge? For millennia, people have honored gender integration in marriage. Don't blame NOM. Gay rights activists are the ones pushing segregation. The biggest wedge of all is separating men and women in marriage.

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old comment by gravematter

All these "wedges" you talk about are actually between (usually religious) bigots and everyone else.
"The wedge between parents and homosexual propaganda in school."
It's bigoted parents who believe that their children are being exposed to "homosexual propoganda".
"The wedge between businesses and their money when they are sued by monogender couples."
It's bigoted businesses that are sued for discrimination.
"The wedge between freedom of religion, and coercing people of faith to obey new gender-segregating marriage laws."
"Freedom of religion" doesn't come into it. No-one is forcing churches to carry out marriages they don't want to. When you talk about "freedom of religion", you actually mean "freedom to be a Christian" in any case. There are other religions in the US, and their followers also get married. There are also atheists, and they get married too. Marriage is not exclusive to Christianity. And no-one is forcing anyone to officiate over, or take part in, a gay marriage.
"The wedge between procreative biology, and the infertility of two 'married' men."
What about heterosexual couples who can't have children? Or don't have children?
"For millennia, people have honored gender integration in marriage."
Firstly, there have been same-sex marriages in other cultures. Secondly, slavery has existed for as long as marriage. The age of something does not correspond to its worth. This appeal to antiquity underlines the paucity of your argument.
Gay people have rights, just as you have the right to be a bigot. You do not, however, have the right to impose your bigotry on others. And when you try to, and fail, arguing that you are somehow being oppressed is not a massively convincing argument. You being a subscriber to the dominant belief system in the country and all.

old comment by Atheissimo

Oh dearie me, these people must be constantly furious.

It's bad enough when you are against something like racism because there are so many people who find it acceptable that it makes you fume.

It must be even harder to be anti-gay marriage because the tide is turning against your views and every day seems like another nail in the coffin.

But to be something as extreme as gender segregationist? Couples holding hands would send you into a fit. Unisex hair dressers, mixed schools, mixed ward hospitals, those unisex toilets they sometimes have at nightclubs. These are all so readily accepted in society that they must think they're in Hell.

No wonder they keep going on about the end times. It's like if the sky being blue or the grass being green was the ultimate sin in your worldview.

old comment by Atheissimo

@ His4life

Hardly surprising is it? Atheists have only been able to openly express their un-belief for the last hundred or so years (and expect to retain any standing in society)thanks to good old Christian love.

The church has had huge influence over society for thousands of years, with huge wealth, great connections and an extensive structure that covers almost every country in the world. Atheists have no structure, no buildings or priests or banks or land. No connections with each other or with the powerful. They only share the same lack of belief in Gods. How exactly are you supposed to champion causes or build hospitals or do anything as a group when all you have in common is one abstract philosophical position?

It's like saying that people who don't watch the TV show 'Happy Days' haven't done anything for society.

Interesting that you don't see civil rights as a worthy cause, given how prominent Christians were in the abolitionist movement.

It's also worth noting that the two single most generous donors to charity in the world, Bill Gates and Warren Buffet, are atheists.

old comment by Dr.Shrinker

@ His-4-Life

Its an important matter because innocent people have died over it. People have been killed for no other reason than the fact that they are gay. Many other people have killed themselves out of shame because they internalized the vicious hatred of gay people spouted by people like you (and don't give me that "love the sinner, hate the sin" lie your lot spouts so glibly). If greater societal acceptance of homosexuality prevents needless suffering and death, this atheist is all for it!

As for Christians supporting social causes, yes, it is true that liberal Christians have been on the front line in the wars against poverty and social injustice. This site was not meant to parody them though. This site is aimed at blind Christians who smugly tell the poor to that God helps those who help themselves. This site is aimed at selfish Christians who arrogantly say they don't need to give to charity because, "we are saved by faith, not works." This site is aimed at foolish Christians who marginalize the deaths and suffering that their prejudices cause to others by suggesting that protecting their lives is a less worthy cause than something that other Christians are doing.

Know anyone like that His?

old comment by Alleyprowler

@His4Life I don't think it's the atheists who are spending too much time dwelling on "men sodomizing each other". Your choice of words is revealing.

Personally, I think it should be a non-issue. Consenting adults who love each other and want to make a lifelong commitment to each other should be able to do so, with all of the legal and social benefits that marriage confers. How in the world does that affect any other couple's commitment? Would it make you love your spouse any less? Would it compel you to marry a person of your own gender? Is it going to turn you gay?

If you don't find the above questions to be even remotely silly, then I can't help you.

old comment by His4Life

I know that there are atheists who do good work in the community as well, but I have a theory why homosexuality is such a central issue for those outside the Christian faith. As I've pointed out before, Scripture teaches that that those who die without faith in Christ will be sodomized on judgment day before being cast into the Lake of Fire. In ancient times, this was considered a public disgrace, and a person who had been defiled this way would not be permitted back into the community. They were viewed as an "object of contempt." This is why it was common for victorious generals to sodomize captured enemies; not because the enemies feared the physical pain of the practice, but because the humiliation and dishonor would forever mark them as "unclean" in the eyes of their peers. I suspect that deep down inside, Atheists know what they're in for and they're doing all they can to remove the shame and guilt associated with the act in the hopes of making God's judgment more tolerable. They believe that if they normalize deviant perversion here, then when they come before the judgment seat they can say "this is normal behavior, it's not humiliating at all." Of course, there is a much easier way to avoid God's wrath, which is simple faith in Jesus. Unfortunately most atheists shy away from this and get upset when you even mention it, as if their souls were at war with Jesus. Atheists, you need to examine yourselves and ask why faith in Christ scares you so much.

old comment by Alleyprowler

@His4Life What the hell? No. Just no. You can't just make things up out of thin air like that and not expect to be called out on it.

It's not atheists (in general) who have a problem with marriage equality. We aren't the ones fretting and wringing our hands over OHNOES, GAYMARRIAGE! and calling down divine wrath on those who are okay with it. You know who is making this a big issue? Nasty-minded theists like you. Seriously, how do you come up with that crap?

Atheists, you need to examine yourselves and ask why faith in Christ scares you so much.

Did you know that pixies will steal your teeth if you don't leave a bowl of milk out for them each night? They will. Maybe not now, maybe not next week, but they will. What, you don't believe me? Why are you so scared to believe? You must know deep down inside that the pixies must be appeased or else you'd never buy milk nor own bowls. Why can't you just put a little bowl out for them? Think of the children!

old comment by His4Life

Atheissimo, the key verse I'm thinking of is Daniel 12:2. My pastor did a sermon on it a while back. The word for "shame" here is the same word that's used to describe sodomy in other Hebrew writings. At the time it was written, it was widely understood that the "shame" prisoners of war were subjected to was often sodomy. "Everlasting contempt" refers to the rejection of these people by their communities, since they were seen as defiled and unclean.

Also, I didn't say that God will "rape" anyone. Rape implies that people don't have a choice in it, but God has given everyone a clear escape path through Christ. No one will have any excuses when they come before the judgment seat.

old comment by Atheissimo

@ His4life

'God is all loving. He doesn't use threats, but he does warn us of the inevitable consequences of sin.'

Sure would be a shame if this pretty house of yours were to burn down. If you pay The Family a little bit a month, we can assure you it's a lot less likely to catch alight.

The Mob is all loving, they don't use threats. But they warn you of the inevitable consequences of not paying them.

These consequences only exist because God invented and enforces them to extort worship from people. Just like the danger from the fire only exists because the Mob invented the danger in order to extort money from you

'God loves us to the extent that he sent Jesus to bear the penalty for our sins so that we wouldn't have to.'

But that's the catch, isn't it? God is only forgiving if you pay up in the form of worship. A truly loving father doesn't demand payment from their children in return for forgiveness

old comment by His4Life

No one is "nice" to God. There is nothing we can do for God that he cannot do for himself. We are admitted into his presence by grace (undeserved kindness) and grace alone. However, God cannot allow that into his presence which is unholy.

I am a strong believer in freewill. God allows the devil to speak his piece and lets us make a free will decision whether we will follow the devil or Him. Think of it like a cosmic "fairness doctrine." This is what the Book of Job is about. But, God will be proved right in the end and the devil and his followers will meet their unfortunate fate for rebelling against Him. The Bible says that God delays his vengeance because he is giving as many people as possible time to repent.

Filin, who are you following day by day? Is it him or Him?

old comment by Rubyfruit

"Gender segregationists"? What?

As has been said before, no one is trying to make gay marriage compulsory.

And the closest thing I've heard to actual separation of men and women on the scale that Frances Kelly is talking about has been...oh, wait. Fundie Christians who advocate completely separate spheres for men and women starting from very young childhood, up until marriage, when the sexes have had plenty of time to see the other as a scary, mysterious "Other", and after marriage, when the husband and wife have little to do with members of the opposite sex aside from each other, and maybe their own children.

I can see the glare of Frances Kelly's mirror from here.

I wish there was an emoticon for "lolsob".

Frances Kelly #fundie joemygod.blogspot.com

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