I'm sickened, shocked, and left in a state of bewilderment as to how a "Christian" woman can wear pants and claim there's nothing wrong it, even though the Bible clearly states that a woman should NOT WEAR MEN'S CLOTHING! Lest anyone should fail to understand that pants are "men's clothing," take a look at the sign on ANY men's restroom and you'll see, Yes ... a pair of pants on the door. I remember hearing a young child ask her mother outside a bathroom why women, with pants, were going through the wrong door. Her mother didn't understand her at first, but then she realize that there was a picture of a DRESS on the women's bathroom, and a picture of PANTS on the men's bathroom. The little girl thought that the women wearing pants were supposed to go through the door with the picture of the pants. It's common sense folks!
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Well, when I was a little girl, I was extremely disappointed when my mother took me to the "white" restroom instead of the "colored" restroom (yes, I'm that old!), because I imagined that the forbidden restroom was filled with sinks and toilets and decor in a rainbow profusion of beautiful colors while we had to settle for boring old white fixtures and walls. In other words, the wisdom of tiny tots is not necessarily so wise and any adult who relies on them as a resource for common sense is profoundly stupid.
BTW, what kind of pants did Jesus wear?
The first thing that came to mind when I read this was Monty Python's "Life of Brian." The part where all the women dress as men to attend the stoning.
Oddly enough, that's probably closer to the truth than what this poster says.
Also, I've spent way too much time with my Brit friends. I got the giggles when I read "pants on the door."
Jesebel: That is a very powerful vignette.
In the little girl's case, such a misunderstanding is cute and funny, but when you are a grown up man, it makes you look fucktarded, Bobby....
Yes, we must all bow to the Holy Bathroom Door Sign and acknowledge its wisdom, or we shall be cast into HELL.
Is this really the best argument this twit could come up with? People might get confused and go through the wrong door?
The problem with common sense is that it is rarely common. In this case it is entirely absent.
And I wonder if this guy would be OK with a woman wearing a miniskirt? Or how about me? I wear my kilts all the time... should I be using the ladies room? I would like to if I can, it's a hell of a lot nicer than the men's.
But that's why we have pants designed for women!
And I don't really get this male/female toilet thingy. The stalls have doors which close and lock. So just what is the problem?
I'm in a class of over 400 people at college so we get some of the classes in the movie theater due to lack of space. When we get our 15 minute break the women have to stand in line outside the "women's restroom" part. Men have room to spare, but hardly any of the women are "smart" enough to just go into the men's restroom. Just think about it, you might see one of them wash their hands!
You know there are men's pants and then women's pants. Would you care to wear the kind of pants they make for women and tell me that they are for men? Further more, a sign on a door is hardly support for your religious crap. They've been making them in that style since before fashion trends changed and they are so well known and easy to figure out that we have stuck with them. However, children are bound to be confused to a whole range of things which have become normal to us over the years. Which is why they are children - They will ask stupid questions and we will explain to them that this is the way it is because it is reconized as so by society as a whole. You should know better than to take up the cause of one such stupid question made a little girl.
I love the part about how women wearing pants commit all sorts of sins such as adultery, because they make men lust and that's adultery, and lasciviousness, because they make men lust and that's lascivousness.
You know, in this god-awful antipodean theme pub that I frequent far more often than is good for me it says "Sheilas" and "Bruces" on the toilet doors... so, as a Robert you'd probably have to wet your "pants", as obviously toilet door signs are second only to the bible in the hierarchy of guidelines that govern your life...
Alix Olson commenting on the bathroom door stick figures:
"Is it just me or does the one with the skirt have only one leg? Is that supposed to be a stork or something?... Hmmm, let's see - pants, skirt, pants, skirt... I'm wearing pants, I'll go in here!"
Oh, sweet Jebus, the Pants guys is back. And now he's basing his argument on small children and restroom doors.
Just make it mandatory for women to wear pants and men to wear kilts, and all these nasty gender-bending atrocities will go away.
So, let´s say that Christian Women can´t wear pants because of social convention?, or because they are not able to pee correctly?. Man, this verse you´re quoting is a prohibition to TRASSGENDERISM, crossdressing. It has nothing to do with PANTS.
Has this man even looked at women's pants? Most of them don't fasten in the front and I've only seen a couple that have flies. Plus, they're made out of girly materials like cotton and silk and satin, while everyone knows men's pants are made out of wool and sandpaper and shards of glass.
No, it's not common sense. It's a little girl having a problem with understanding signs. Her experience should not be the standard. Wanker.
What I don´t understand is why haven´t they quoted the next paragraph when he blames Britney Spears or Jessica Simpson for pederasty and crimes. First, this men ARE TOTALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ACTS. Second, she´s not godless(using his logic, Bush should be godless too, plus all the kings in the human history). Third, Britney Spears started her carreer, the earliest, on 1999. That is, ages and ages after Ted Bunty or Milwakee Butcher committed their crimes, to put some examples. Besides, unlike what this idiot thinks, men between 18 and 45(typical profile for this type of crimes) are not Britney Spears fans, moreover, not even woman beyond eighteen but teenagers and pre-teens. As Christian, I feel profoundly offended. And something else, harlot means prostitute, NOT A WOMAN WEARING MEN´S ATTIRE.
From the original post:
American has become a nation of sex-perverts, even to the point of "Christian" woman wearing pants.
Which is way worse than, say, pedophilia or gang rape.
It's common sense folks!
As someone once said, the problem with common sense is that it's not that common. Apart from that, you're an idiot, Mr. Stewart. I won't bother thinking of an insult for you.
lynn0102: There's nothing at all "controversal" about women wearing pants except in the mind of this misguided lunatic and others like him.
A situation in which a few people out of tens of millions hold to an extreme viewpoint hardly qualifies as a "controversy"; to achieve that, you'd need for there to be significant portions of the general populace in strong disagreement on the issue.
Of course, the notion of women wearing pants was a controversial fashion issue at one time, over half a century ago; but the controversy has been settled a long time now, in favor of women having the option of wearing pants.
If you don't believe me, go into any store that stocks women's fashions. They wouldn't have billions of pants to sell if there weren't women buying and wearing them.
~David D.G.
But you guys should be mature enough to not make fun
If you don't want to be mocked, don't make your beliefs so eminently mockable.
yes...it is a contraversial subject to some. I go to a church where they don't believe a woman should wear pants but if you come there wearing pants, they don't say anything, just as long as you are there. I myself do wear pants outside of church but don't think they are appropriate to wear to church.
Hehe. I find it amusing that he thinks a young child's word is law. I once had a four year old boy tell me how ridiculous it is to think that some adults actually believe in some invisible guy in the sky that created everything. He also said it was just silly to think that the world was created in seven days, since the earth didn't exist at first and thus it was impossible to measure a day.
Well. A young child's word is law, isn't it? I guess you can't disagree with this kid....
Wow.
-Women's pants are designed in a different way. Which is why you hear emo guys get a lot of shit for wearing "girl's pants."
-The different pictures on the bathroom are just so illiterate people can tell the difference between the two. They are not there for teh purpose of fashion advice.
-Unless you're planning on stoning anyone who breeds mules or eats shrimp, shut up.
These trousers are disigned differently. Wats wrong with a normal flexy trouser? Remember trousers are men made not God. Can you wear your wife's pants and can she wear your pants. Very impossible isn't it? The clothing worn in Biblical times was very different from what we wear today. Both men and women wore a loose, woolen, robe-like cloak or mantle as an outer garment. It was fastened at the waist with a belt or sash. A tunic or coat, a long piece of cloth, leather or haircloth with holes for arms and head, was worn under the cloak. Sandals were worn on the feet.
The difference between men's and women's clothing was small but distinctive. In addition, men often wore a turban to confine their hair, and women of some cultures wore a veil.
Cross-dressing
The book of Deuteronomy has a prohibition against dressing in clothing of the opposite sex:
A woman must not wear men's clothing, nor a man wear women's clothing, for the LORD your God detests anyone who does this. (NIV, Deuteronomy 22:5)
No one knows for sure whether this prohibition was intended as a general principle or was directed at some specific abuse among the ancient Hebrews. Cross-dressing was likely considered an affront to the natural distinction between the sexes (Genesis 1:27). It may also have been related to some deviant sexual practice, or more likely, to pagan worship. It is known that some pagan rituals of that time involved women wearing armor and men dressing as women, and the Hebrews were forbidden to do anything that had even the appearance of pagan worship.
Some people think this verse would prohibit women from wearing pants because pants have traditionally been worn by men. But, in light of the similarity of men's and women's clothing in Biblical times and the fact that pants were not worn by either sex at that time, that conclusion would be difficult to justify.
yes, and i am shocked that anyone wears any clothes other than those specifically mentioned in the bible. i am also shocked that we dont hold slaves, and that we dont have multiple wives.
every good christian man should have several slaves, several wives, and for gods sake, put on clothes like the ones they wore before jesus was born!
im not for literal translation, progressive times call for progressive adaptations. i also think god has better things to worry about than what clothes we wear.... but thats just my opinion
Yep, conclusive proof that god doesn't want women to wear pants ... through symbols on toilet doors! I'm persuaded.
Is it really possible that people are that stupid? How do they reach adulthood in one piece?
They make women's pants, too.
Besides, if everyone was so caught up in dressing Biblically, wouldn't all of you nerds be wearing robes?
If this wasn't a scene in a British comedy, then it should have been: a little girl watches a woman in pants walk into the ladies', then a Scotsman in a kilt walk int the gents', much to the child's confusion and the audience's delight. At home, Rev. Stewart tells his kids that this scene is proof that Western civilisation is going straight to Hell.
this saddens me. i don't see anything wrong with clothes that are comfortable, flexible, and far better suited to sports and my own daily lifestyle then long skirts. i'm wearing a pair of jeans right now, and there's nothing wrong with it.
My roommate (shes a Brit) went into fits of giggles reading this because 'pants' means underwear in the UK. I really must explain to her that Americanisms are often dumb. I'm a born and bred New Yorker and I prefer 'trousers'. Pants=panties in my mind. Sometimes our nation is silly.
As for Rob... STFU and stop getting your trousers in a knot.
Womens' pants are designed differently from mens' pants, for a start. But I guess that distinction is a bit too subtle for this moron.
If argumentum ad toilet signs is what passes for common sense in fundie world, these people are even more pathetically stupid than I had preiously imagined. Which is saying something.
On most public restrooms over here it's mostly a figure with pants and a figure with skirt, side by side on the same door, as most public places only have one toilet stall.
Why do you say "bathrooms", about public toilets? There's hardly a bathtub or a shower faucet in there, is there?
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