lindsey

@lindsey

Ben Garrison #wingnut #conspiracy #crackpot

what and who determines "fairness"? Seems like utility versus dollar is like the widow giving two coins, so does that mean a flat tax rate isn't fair because it's similar to tithing? Is utility versus dollar even more Biblically based than a flat tax rate? There's fixed percentages all the time in accounting and taxes. Never have I heard the personal value of something to someone changing it's real worth. Ya my grandparents giving me $1,000 for my college graduation seemed huge until I worked full time and received over that amount every paycheck, it didn't change the worth of the money to anyone else. If I bought a tv for that much the person I bought it from would see it as a flat $1,000. Why is one really more fair than the other and who in total agrees with it?

Utility versus dollar? Sounds kind of similar to the widow in the Bible who gave two coins when it was all she had so he thought she gave the most- giving what is of equal or more value of yours compared to others, kind of like a flat tax rate is similar to tithing. If everyone pays the same low tax rate because there's less government funds what does it matter the amount higher income people are paying? I don't think others' money really has anything to do with me. I wouldn't rob their house or steal from their bank account just because they're rich and already have a lot.

Conservatives want lower taxes and tax rate for everyone with a smaller government. If the low income then still pay low taxes and rates is it really a problem for them?
My pay is a direct result of my education and experience. Once I finished school and gained more experience I got hired for more and got paid more. So the difference that puts it on a curve comes from how much money my employer can afford to and wants to pay me? Tax brackets exist because income isn't in a straight line like money is?

You want something "more interesting" that's even more regressive than what I support? Why don't you pay the $100,000 a year my dad did in taxes when you both received and benefited from Stuff like fire protection, police, public schools, health inspections?

Morally though shouldn't everyone be treated the same? Aside from amount of income? That's why people donate to the poor and not wealthy and get services like social security and food stamps. Are the wealthy the only ones to not be treated correctly? Making them pay a higher percentage of their time and labor? It's not okay to steal something from the wealthy because it's theirs, but under leftists they don't deserve the money in their bank account? Treat everyone with proper regard and esteem. Obviously tax amounts are based on life situation which based on income, unless you're in disagreement with both the the leftists and conservative- making it either the huge advantage for either my dad or friend

Obviously both liberals and conservatives think rich people should pay higher dollar amount of taxes- that's agreed upon by everyone because income reflects life situation and my friend shouldn't have to pay $75,000 a year in taxes like my dad when he only earns $30,000 a year of income working low wage jobs. everyone agrees that the rich should pay more and my dad not pay $3,000 a year in taxes like him.

Unless you think my dad should pay $2,000 a year in taxes too as my friend Marcos who works low wage jobs and gets higher tax returns. Or do you think my dad should pay higher tax amounts and a greater amount of money? Which one do you think should happen if everyone pays the same amount? Should my friend pay the amount of my dad or my dad pay the amount of my friend? do you think either is really fair? whose side are you on, do you think rich people should pay more dollar amount of taxes and higher tax rates or rich people pay more money in taxes but equal tax rates, or do you think everyone should pay the same dollar amount?

so should my friend Marcos pay $75,000 year in taxes because my dad does? Or is it based on life situation? I am paid on salary and pay the same percentage of income as those of other other jobs. I also learn a lot less because I only work part time so I'm not in a better financial situation than others that get paid hourly and work more. Isn't pay based on labor? Doesn't time reflect how much labor you've done? People are paid more for overtime but it's because they're being thanked for working more hours than their normal job because others can't be there. Income is a reflection of labor done, even if you get extra for working overtime- it's still a reflection of the work and labor you've done.

so how is it more fair that my coworker sitting next to me that earns $3 more than me an hour should have to surrender five days of his wages out of the month instead of me three? We both showed up to work for the same amount of time and did our job description, him getting paid more but doing the harder work

If I got promoted to a higher paying job doing harder work I should be okay with them not paying me five days out of the month when I sit there doing the work the whole time? because in the end I'm still making more than my previous job?

so my coworker that earned $3 more an hour than me when we sat there the same amount of time would have to surrender three days worth of his wages instead of me two? didn't we give up the same amount of time of our lives doing the same thing

The only way to achieve this is for the government to step back and let the people decide what they want in life and what they want to do- so they can have the money and freedom. Less government involvement and lower minimum wage. Besides, there have always been government ran jobs like policemen and firefighters that are readily available

-I said one example of racism not existing in the world is when George Floyd died and the whole country rioted but when my friend that was white was murdered it only made it to local newspapers
-The other person said that my dad reaped benefits only for himself but he didn't. He also looks like the characteristics of a rich white man but he really isn't.
-I'm not sure if the wealth gap is increasing. What I see in my life is that most everyone in my generation is poor and my parents' generation are able to afford a real home while I rent a room and my sister a studio when we both finished college.
-People inherit money and property from their family, wealth isn't only based on income.
-There should be a flat tax rate- example everyone should pay 15 percent of their income, instead of the poor people paying 15 percent and the rich paying 30 percent.

My dad and his family were just like my friend- immigrants to the US that came owning nothing. My dad did something to advance himself and made something of his own. And he’s the one that paid all his employees that were the majority Hispanic so well

The leftists and Biden don’t even notice my friend who is Hispanic and low income and struggling to provide for his family. But he made $16 an hour at one of his jobs which is the rate I made at my first full time job out of college. He’s not discriminated on income because of his race.

My friend Marcos is Hispanic and from a poor family and household, his family is from Mexico and came to the US owning nothing. they benefit from taxpayers for their schooling and healthcare. If they don’t have what others have they should do something to advance themselves or make something of their own. He works 70 hours a week because he’s single and has three kids to provide for and doesn’t get or qualify for any welfare or financial aid and no one even notices him. Macroeconomics? lies and excuses

That’s just used as an attack and excuse.. my dad would qualify under a rich white man but he really isn’t that stereotype. The wealthiest have a head start not from income but from inheritance. Inherited property that is rightfully theirs, just as any earned income like my dads is.

My dad's parents were immigrants from Holland and Indonesia and my mom's families Spaniards that immigrated to New Mexico and my grandma grew up there poor. My dad appeared to rise as a wealthy white man but he grew up low income and from a family of low fortune. People say I'm overprivileged because my parents could afford to send me to school and label him as a wealthy white man. With all things considered I think that label about him and my family is wrong

I went to college for seven years and built up my work experience for 3 and a half years till I’m earning the highest I ever have- $22 an hour. I’m still probably only in between the low and middle class but I’m not offended that there’s wealthy businessmen out there and white doctors and lawyers that make bank. They still accumulated it honestly even if they were more advantaged than others by 20%. I did what I could with my own life and I don’t compare my money to others’

Examples in my life I’ve paid others a lot of money:
The hair dresser I got my hair dyed ombre and highlights
The plastic surgeon I got cheekbone injections from
The orthodontist that did my invisalign
the opthamologist that did my lasik surgery
the car mechanic that fixed the back of my car when I was rear-ended

All of which went to school or learned a trade- doesn’t seem to be because of macroeconomic forces

so the doctor that founded my treatment center- was that because of his race and gender? What about my program for college students with learning disabilities? What about the CPA firm that I work for? All gained wealth from macroeconomic forces and not through work?

Aren’t jobs like the payroll company I worked for, the clock maker I went to to fix my watch, the moving company I paid when I moved out of my apartment much better? Services and trades that others want and use- that earn money and expand.

@Niam2020 #152771

Ya, some are going to own more than others in life and it is fair. It is okay to break into someone's house and steal their tv just because they're rich- or steal $100 from their bank account? Owning a lot that is rightfully yours is fair

@Niam2020 #152771
People want money? they go to school and work hard like I did. yes my parents could afford to send me to school but since I have a disability the department of rehab would have paid for all of it. Anyone can join the military and get their schooling paid for. My dad didn't toil, he worked hard in school and residency. People want money they should go to school to advance themselves or create their own trade or business and not get a free handout from the government