[What is going on here ? There are groups opposed to circumcision ? This is crazy. The procedure is Biblical, because hats where it comes from. Even though it is supposed to be on the 8th day, because God knew that less bleeding would would take place on the 8th day after birth. I forgot how it goes but on the 8th day your body does something.]
The body starts to produce coagulants, namely vitamin K, after 8 days. Would Man have actually know this thousands of yeas ago? Hmmm...
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Nope. Interestingly, it is not written in the Bible "slice the foreskin off a baby's willy at 8 days old. There will be less bleeding because of increased levels of coagulants in the circulation."
... I thought circumcission was supposed to be a sacrafice for god, not related to hats. I mean, it hurts like a bitch to do it when you're an adult and causes babies to go in shock when performed on them.
And just what was God's reason for circumcision? I know it was a "covenant" between God and the Hebrews, but a covenant to what end? Since it was mutilation of the male's sex organ, was he telling them he was fucking with them? From what I have read in the Wholly Babble, that is the only conclusion I can come up with.
@Hadanelith
What real purpose could circumcision serve? I don't get the point.
Catbert has the right of it.
Gerard:
Oh, geez, guys, now I've got this mental picture of fundies wearing hats pieced together from hundreds of little foreskins, and I may lose my lunch.
The body starts to produce coagulants, namely vitamin K, after 8 days.
I've heard a number of theories on "why circumcision," including the hygiene one. Another interesting theory I recall is that it is a symbolic stand-in for human sacrifice, which may have been the original tradition in that area. Instead of killing your whole child for good harvests or healthy sheep or whatever, you snip off a little piece and ritually present it to god. I've also heard that perhaps circumcision was originally an adult rite, to make sure that anyone who wanted to join the tribe was reeeeeally serious.now is a whole other kettle of fish.
Irene
I've always known that the above argument is specious, but it wasn't until I took a human nutrition course last semester that I found this awesome counter:
yep. Nothing like a spot of pennyroyal tea! Very nice with mint. I wasn't aware of parsley, though. Even in my grandmother's 1920s Herbal it mentions pennyroyal a wossname - like expectorant but at the other end.
What real purpose could circumcision serve? I don't get the point. Here's a link to a number of philosophers and physicians (including Jewish and Christian theologians), from ancient times to modern, stating that this is the reason for circumcision.
Penn and Teller nailed this one. If you're having trouble deciding whether to circumcise your child, the best way to make your mind up is to watch one being done, not just say "God says so". It helps if you remember, after the helpless child clamped to the table stops screaming, it's because it's gone into shock. I think it's also been observed that people circumcised at birth have differences in their brain patterns, though I forget where I read that, I'm afraid. Don't take my word, look it up!
Sorry, Sgeo, I can't remember the details. Now that I think back, I think it was something to do with REM sleep patterns, or the lack of them, or something.
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There is also a study going on that may show circumcisions could reduce the risk of contracting HIV.
I've heard of those. The notion is that, once the foreskin is removed, the thin skin on the glans will thicken in response to its harsher environment and thus make viral penetration to the bloodstream beneath the surface more difficult.
Why the fuck would anyone mutilate their genitalia to get a hopefully protective layer (and the most optimistic estimate I ever saw of its effectiveness was only about 60%-70%) when you can just buy, very cheaply, a greater than 99% guaranteed industrially-made synthetic one with stringent quality control? (Not to mention ribs, bumps and flavours!)
"[What is going on here ? There are groups opposed to circumcision ? This is crazy."
In Galatians, Paul declares that circumcision is not only unnecessary, it is an abomination for a non-Jew. But then, I always thought he was a bit crazy.
"The procedure is Biblical, because hats where it comes from."
So is Paul's opposition to circumcision. Worm your way out of that contradiction Vic.
There are groups opposed to circumcision ?
Yes, because it's usually a completely unnecessary procedure. Here in Europe, circumcision is rare but there's little difference in sexual health.
I'm very attached to my foreskin, thank you very much. [/smartarse]
(*Grabs & opens bag of Hula Hoops , starts up on computer's media player "Panty & Stocking [with Garterbelt]" OVA *)
(*puts down bag of Hula Hoops. Will never look at a bag of such in the same way again . *) XP X3
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