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Vic #fundie christianforums.net

[You can't prove a negative]

That is a phrase commonly used by many people, even agnostics and especially atheists. First point, if that were true then there is something fundamentally wrong with you and your logic. Why? Because atheists spend an tremendous amount of time and effort desperately trying to prove God doesn't exist.

Secondly, I can show you where that statement goes south. I read a good example recently. If existent is a positive, then nonexistent is a negative. So, you and I can probably easily prove we aren't nonexistent.

Remember, nonexistent is a negative. So, with little effort, we just proved a negative. Of course, getting into a discussion or debate over the existence of nonexistence of God would not be that simple, proving your statement is wrong negates any possible use of it during the debate.

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Good News Bob #fundie christianforums.net

If science is empiricism, then science cannot affirm numbers. And if science cannot affirm the existence numbers, then what is science?

History is often far simpler. Science came from the Christian Renaissance, ala the works of good crafted Science. And science surely was not based on Empiricism in the 1600s.

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Handy #fundie christianforums.net

However, due to the fall, there are a lot of things that were unnatural that has become natural. I can think of no better example than that of eating meat. We were created as vegetarians. Eating meat was a direct consequense of the fall. Now, eating meat has become so natural to humans, that we even have developed nutritional needs that are best fulfilled by eating meat. Eating meat is an unnatural thing that has become natural.

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inhopeofglory #fundie christianforums.net

[Mum wants to know how to assuage her kids doubts about the veracity of the Noah's Ark story in light of the existence of dinosaurs]

Tell him that the dinosaurs were taken on the Ark like all the other animals. Noah probably took young/baby ones. :-) Plus, the average size of dinosaurs was roughly that of a sheep. They weren't all huge!

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Jon-Marc #fundie christianforums.net

Ever since the lie of evolution was brought into the picture, many believe we evolved from animals. That lie makes us no better than animals. The way some people act, I could almost believe that about them.

Looking at animal behavior and trying to prove by that behavior that homosexuality is normal is quite a stretch. Just another feeble attempt by homosexuals to justify their perverted behavior. To use that example as proof is saying that they are as dumb as animals with no ability to think or reason for themselves. Animals live and act by instinct alone and just have a natural desire to procreate and can't always tell whether the one they're trying to mate with is male or female.

Humans know the difference and sometimes choose to be with their own gender instead of the way God intended--one male with one female.

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Ciara #fundie christianforums.net

["Gay activist Ring leader of Paedophile ring in Scotland"]

In terms of the pedophile situation because homosexuality is a psychological issue , emotional issue as well as a spiritual issue it is not unusual that you are going to find a high number of gay persons who are pedophiles or struggle with pedophilia and other sexual issues. How many pedophiles are not gay? How many are gay?

Sanitarium you may think you know it all but you have no idea.

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turnorburn #fundie christianforums.net

Why is it every time sodomites get with Christians in a debate the text books
come down from the shelves. Then they get the power to marry so they can
adopt children and abuse them behind closed doors. Isn't that how people
say it now a days "I Don't Care What They Do Behind Closed doors"... :naughty

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Anna1334 #conspiracy christianforums.net

the Illuminati calls us sheep and they laugh at us knowing that we will not fight. So these evil people who are in office and are breaking our constitution peace by peace and our bill of rights, should at least all the Christians take up a fight not with arms, but go to Washington by the thousands and protest our right to freedom; not doing so will be a sin and we will get what we deserve an evil empire rule by a dictator who will be cruel and ruthless.

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cre8ivmind #fundie christianforums.net

Is my dog Satanic?

I haven't posted in a while, and I know this is going to sound crazy, but...

I've had my dog for about a year now, and she has destroyed two books several months apart. Both of them happen to be Bibles. I have dozens of other books my dog could have decided to destroy, but she only chose the Bibles. Is this just a coincidence, or could there be some kind of demonic influence?

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johnmuise #fundie christianforums.net

"Utilizing embryos to prevent enormous amounts of actual human suffering is not sick by any stretch of the imagination. If you deem the weighing of a few hundred cells against a sick human being to be a coin flip, your ability to reason enough to reduce actual suffering is seriously damaged."

Not surprised an evolutionist would find this good and moral.

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tim_from_pa #fundie christianforums.net

I'm not sure if the bible teaches an ever existence burning hell (as opposed to being burned and annihilated). Those who teach that have some valid points. However, it's times like this that I sometimes disobey the bible in favor of a pagan belief in an eternal hell. Nothing would give me more pleasure than to see the enemies of God and these autocratic types writhe in pain forever.

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Steve #fundie christianforums.net

[in response to a news story about a Wiccan winning the lottery]

To be honest, it annoys me when people who are teaching the tenets of evil and wickedness, win the lottery, and absolutely prosper, while people of faith who are working their fingers to the bone in many cases, are grovelling and trying to rub two nickels together.

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Biblereader #fundie christianforums.net

Vegetarianism is not what a Christian needs to do.

Jesus said anything can be eaten, if you thank God for it, before hand.

Of course, if you eat meat, there can't be uncooked blood in it.

9: Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
20: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

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Imagican #fundie christianforums.net

The likes of 'Harry Potter' and books by Stehphen King are little more than demonic influence disguised as 'entertainment'.

Not only have we been bombarded with the devil's 'successful advertising campaign' in the past through vices such as 'sports', 'hobbies', and 'leisure' of ALL sorts. But even reading has been deverted into pleasure. Do you 'reacon' that Paul would have been impressed or would have encouraged the 'reading for pleasure' the likes of stories of 'children that are WITCHES'? The HERO of the story being one that PRACTICES 'witchcraft'? Hmmmm...............

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Imagican #fundie christianforums.net

[Are you suggesting that sports, hobbies, reading and other leisure activities are Satanic?]

I'm not only suggesting or implying, I am outright stating that sports and other such things as hobbies etc........ are a 'waste' of TIME and effort so far as God is concerned. And the EXTENT to which some 'participate in such' PLAINLY shows outright WORSHIP

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johnmuise #fundie christianforums.net

[You also need room to store their food, water, environments, living space for Noah and his wife and sons, rooms and space for things that keep the boat structurally sound, etc etc. He also needs to keep careful track of each and every pair of species AND provide a specific type of food unique to them. How is he preserving all this food and meat, anyway? The refrigerator hasn't been invented yet.]

They lived with the animals, not too strange..my dogs sleeps on my bed each night, lol
if the animals hibernate then food supply would be short on purpose.

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Bob #fundie christianforums.net

A prediction:

Regardless of the science "Facts" found to favor God's Genesis model for origins -- there will STILL be Christians posting here whining and complaining about those facts AS IF anything in nature that is found to be in harmony with the Word of Nature's Creator is in fact "a bad thing" for a certain group of Christians who have bought into what we now know today as "distinctively atheist darwinianism" and somewhat atheist cosmology.

in Christ,

Bob

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johnmuise #fundie christianforums.net

[Will people stop posting quotes by Kent Hovind trying to pass them off as some sort of authority on anything. The literal interpretation of the Great Flood and Noah's Ark has been proven false. Deal with it.]

stop trolling

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Heidi #fundie christianforums.net

Nevertheless, the theory of evolution proves how bizarre, far-fetched and ridiculous one has to be to deny God. Let's forget for a moment the obvious fact that apes can no more breed human descendants than humans can breed zebras as descendants. All anyone has to understand is the simple birds and bees to know why. But for those who don't, let's engage in fantasy and see what had to have happened for this impossible, crazy theory to have taken place;

1) Each ape had to find another creature which with to breed to create offspring that looks more like a human than an ape. The odds of that are incalculable.
2) Then these exact same offspring had to migrate all over the world because according to science fiction writers, homo-sapiens also existed in North America
3) The next step in this impossible chain is that each homo sapiens in North America had to find a mate identical to the mates of other homo-sapiens in Africa to breed descendants who could speak! That make the odds even more incalculable since no two animals and humans look and act alike. So the exact same so-called "mutations" had to have happened in thousands of homosapiens which makes the odds unfathomable as to be impossible.
4) There are no accounts by any ancient cultures of any of these creatures ever existing yet they are supposed to be our ancestors. :o
5) The so-called common ancestor from which these creatures supposedly came is still as imaginary as the minds who invented them. That makes the common ancestor as imaginary as the Flying spaghetti monster.

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johnmuise #fundie christianforums.net

Nope, the problem is that evolutionists defend their position based on bad science and assumptions, they follow the evidence as long as it does not contradict their foundation.

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Heidi #fundie christianforums.net

Then you haven't been around evolutionists for as long as I have. Since they claim that humans are apes, they have to find some way of differentiating between humans and apes. So they call humans "human" apes and apes in the jungle "non-human apes." lol

They also do that because they know that apes can't breed human descendants. So their stock reply to why they can is ; "humans are apes" which I hear them do in every forum on which I debate evolution. They also claim that humans can breed little apes (which are human babies)Now you're contradicting that (which evolutionists always do since their theory is from the subjective imagination). So since evolutionists themselves are confused about what humans are because they make up their own reality, then of course, they'll forget their first statement that humans are apes. :lol:

And round and round in circles evolutionists go; contradicting every statement they make until they eventually contradict their own theory which they always end up doing...then deny that, of course. So they have no proof of evolution since they have no clue who the common ancestor was. So they really don't know where humans came from. ;-) But since evolution is the antithesis of the truth, evolutionists can't be honest about the fact that they don't know where humans came from. So each evolutionist makes up his own answer to that question and the circle of lies continues.

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Heidi #fundie christianforums.net

Even scientists know there's a God
by Heidi on Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:59 pm

Since according to scientists, energy can never be created or destroyed, then that means it has always existed and always will. So they know there's a God because they know that an eternal force exists. They just don't call energy God even though they acknowledge that it's a powerful unseen force whose power is limitless and infinite. So they have just defined God yet they deny Him at the same time. Incessant contradictions. Yours in Christ,

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Heidi #fundie christianforums.net

In Matthew 24, Jesus tells us that the stars will fall from the sky. I highly doubt that only the planets will stay up there. So I see stars and planets as synonymous. And since no scientist has ever visited a star, they can't prove they're different from planets. I acknowledge that my belief is only a theory. But I'll stick with it since scientists haven't shown their infallibility the way Jesus has.

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caseypayne1980 #fundie christianforums.net

I've read reports showing the false beliefs of science. "IF" evolution existed we'd still be hairy like apes. For evolution to choose us and not apes is way off. To say well one got to evolutionize and the other stayed hairy. Evolutionist will tell you that the hair stayed on ur head for the sun rays to get blocked. Last time I checked hair was to keep you warm in the winter, not to block sun rays. In that case how come through the generations people getting skin cancer haven't developed into hairy beasts. Exactly, thank you because evolution does not exist. It's a made up theory. You claim evidence, evidence of what? Have you seen it with your own eye's or are you believing a lie? I'm telling you right now, if it goes against Gods word then it is wrong. By accepting Evolution you take away Adam and Eve. You know how so many animal fossils have turned to bone so fast is because they were not only preserved in mudd from the Flood, but they were also compressed with water. Water increases the process of bones turning into rocks. And yet still fossils found today have bone inside of them. Now do you think a bone inside of a rock could last millions of years? Probably not. I'm not flaming you, just stating that it's mis guided information for people to accept a way to go against God. God stressed no tolerance what so ever of other religions, and yes science is a religion.

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Heidi #fundie christianforums.net

Furthermore, when humans die, their flesh and bones decay and revert back to dust, not apes, proving that humans were created out of dust, not from the wombs of fictitious beasts.

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Potluck #fundie christianforums.net

Kids will be kids. You put ideas into their heads through this so-called "education" [gay and lesbian awarness] and they will experiment without regard to consequences. Schools are starting to "teach" sexual behaviors before many children even reach puberty. Kids at an early age of 10 are very impressionable and haven't honed the skills necessary to make responsible decisions.

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spreadingtheword #fundie christianforums.net

{Quote:"Religious zealots have been halting the progression of science for centuries"}

And we will continue to do so for the good of mankind.

Today religious zealots are called the Religous Right. Well when your right your right and we are righteous! I love being called religous right. And what you liberals call the dark ages is actually the time of enlightenment.,

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spreadingtheword #fundie christianforums.net

How many of you agree that science needs to be reined in, and that out of control science is one of the greatest dangers to mankind short of Satan himself? YES

Should there be limits to what scientists can study? YES

Should all research be subjected to some kind of ethics board approval? YES

Should be some kind of review of any proposed research for ethical purposes, and should that board include people who are not themselves scientists? YES

Is the whole idea of discovery for the sake of discovery is flawed? YES

Are there limits to what mankind should be allowed to know? YES

Is the much touted liberal idea of being open minded a recipie for destruction? YES

Does being too open minded cause people to think too much and question too much? YES

Is it dangerous to think too much, and question too much? YES

Is it dangerous to know too much? YES

Does knowledge ultimately reduce peoples fear of God? YES

Is it better to be closed minded - secure in the knowledge that God has told you everything that you need to know? YES

We really need to put the breaks on science. Scientists should only be allowed to study what needs to be studied as decided by the people. Scientists should stop telling people what to believe.

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The Ascetic Crusader #fundie christianforums.net

(This post speaks for itself)

[Obsession with death?! How about obsession with life! A life well lived and to its fullest in order to help serve your fellow man. Would you consider it an improvement if all those people whose lives were saved by vaccinations had died rather than thrive and provide for a better world?]

and yet again...the unyielding unending Pagan seduction of death.

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Lewis W #fundie christianforums.net

Quath and anyone else' you cannot prove evolution. Evolution does not have a mind. Evolution cannot say' well I think I will make a monkey today' or a fish. Evolution can't do this' even over a length of time. Evolution does not have a mind. If a person can't look around and see God everywhere and in all things' something is wrong with that person.

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Unred Typo #fundie christianforums.net

[Evolutionists today are not sexists, because science shows that sexism is not rational. Many creationists are sexists, because they retain a conservative that women are inferior.]

Silly me. Of course Darwin’s prejudices would not enter into theories about survival of the fittest and superiority of one species, sex and race over another. So now all evolutionists are not sexists or many are not sexists? Exactly or approximately how many creationists are sexists?
Is it sexist to understand there are differences between males and females both physically and emotionally so that each has a unique function in life? The Bible refers to the woman as the weaker vessel, not the inferior vessel. (Just as a piece of bone china is weaker than a clay pot, and should be treated with more care and consideration.) More responsibility is placed on the man’s shoulders as head of household and the woman is especially adapted for her role, as much as a man is built for his. Not many men have adapted to birthing and breastfeeding babies. ::Wide-eyed smiley:: Do you have any stats on that?

[Darwin's theory said:

1. More are born than can survive to reproduce
2. All organisms vary slightly
3. Those variations that improve chances of survival tend to increase in a population
4. These accumulate and account for the variety of life we see.]

If that was all that Darwin’s theory was, it would not have bothered anyone.
1. God adapted his creatures to survive in the world that was subjected to death and decay.

2. God likes variety. He is creative. Maybe that’s why we call him the Creator.

3. Good adaptations were created by an amazing, intelligent being. Romans 8 says the creation was made subject to vanity… a system of self preservation to preserve it until the fallen world was destroyed and all was ready for the coming new world.

4. Variations accumulate as God intended. (see #3)

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caseypayne1980 #fundie christianforums.net

In reality we should be amazed that God can create and did create so many life forms with similiarities. To believe we came from an A sexual single celled organism to a organism with reproductive organs for mating is in it's self stupid. Then carring that idea to a fish and plant and later to a creature on land that grew legs. Fish in the sea today still don't have legs as far as we can remember, and last time I check they didn't want to walk on land. But the fairy tale sounds fun to believe. Have a pet fish? Go ahead and throw it out of its fish bow and tell it to walk and breath. Evolution will grab ahold of it right and for survival it will walk. lol Dummiest theories of the world today lay in science. Science can have all the angles it wants to lie. Yes I said lie because the only way out of a lie is the truth. And no self pride loving scientist is going to back down. They'll simple create more oopsie to back old oopsie. Its just that simple.

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Heidi #fundie christianforums.net

[Around and around we go...]

That passage also does not contradict any other scripture. And those who claim it does, have an incorrect interpretation. So instead of looking for scripture to disagree with other scripture, look for scripture to agree with other scripture and your interpretation will be correct.

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Atonement #fundie christianforums.net

This is a Christian forum, and this is turning into a Catholic forum. That's going to stop, from this point forward I will delete all NEW Catholic threads. If you have nothing else to debate. This site is not for you and ask that you move on!!!!

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RobertMazar #fundie christianforums.net

[From a thread titled: Christianity Is The Only Logical Religion]

I accept Christianity as the only logical religion because I utilized logical and analytical thinking to ascertain that Christianity is the only logical religion and that the doctrines of the Deity Of Christ, the Holy Trinity and the other historical Christian doctrines that Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Mainline Protestant Churches and Fundamentalist Protestant Churches all believe in are totally logical to believe in.

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Heidi #fundie christianforums.net

(Heidi in a formal debate with The Barbarian.)

"Nice evasion. Once again, when you can answer why goats don't breed elephants, only then will you know why monkeys can't breed humans. So I can see why you have evaded that question. Therefore, I have won the debate because I have made a point that you can't refute."

(Another highlight, or lowlight depending on your view, from Heidi.)

"And since scientists have excluded the possibility of a flood, they have overlooked what millions of gallons of water can do to skulls and bones. They can absolutely deform, crush, and distort human skulls so that someone with a vivid imagination can claim that the skull is a half-man half beast, an alien or some other fictitious creature they have made up in their imaginations. And since science is not supposed to exclude variables, but instead, include them, then the theory of evolution is not science but science fiction.

That's what happens when people don't look at all the variables but only at what they want to see. It's called tunnel vision and comes from presuppositions. That is not evidence, but instead, fantasies that come only from vivid imaginations. And considering that their fantasies contradict how humans and animals mate and breed, then evolution has nothing to do with reality and belongs only in the imagination where it has always been."

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Free #fundie christianforums.net

I certainly don't think evolutionists would argue that God made blacks inferior. And certainly there are evolutionists who would believe that evolution made blacks inferior.

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Rhetorickety #fundie christianforums.net

...I will tell you what is better. It would be better to have saved the gunman earlier and to have had no one die. Death is nothing if you have eternal life, and life is nothing if you're already dead. But when a person starts killing people... Load the handguns with rubber bullets. Just don't shoot him in the eye. Or, just have faith and tell the gun to stop working. Not trying to be funny at all, I am completely serious.

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PotLuck #fundie christianforums.net

"Fear not, “Oh straight “(?) society" suggests once again a phobia the gay agenda has been imposing to make themselves appear as the victims. But I wonder who really are the victims in this case when I see what the gay agenda has done to parent's rights concerning their children's education and the trend to keeping the parents isolated from what the kids are taught. And once again the victimization of the institution of marriage.

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Biblereader #fundie christianforums.net

I'm never embarassed to be an American.

If it wasn't for my country, and the strong Christians in it,
most of the world would be quite bad off.

God bless America.
Land that I love!
I love America because it was founded on Christianity.
It's not now, thanks to the perverts and communist/liberal/democrats
who do nothing but try their hardest to tear down the most beautiful
country on the earth!
Don't ever be ashamed to be an American.

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ikester7579 #fundie christianforums.net

[From a certain point of view, sure. Unfortunately, this thread is meaningless since it assumes God exists in the first place.]

You are at a Christian forum, are you not? What you will see here demonstrated, is faith. Just like some of science, and it's theories require faith. How? Has anyone seen the oort cloud yet? Believing in what you cannot see, is having faith that it is there.

Science even has god did it type excuses for what they cannot explain.

1) Natural selection.
2) Given enough time, anything can happen.
3) Odds don't count, because science no longer counts it.
4) If we can see it, it did happen. Assuming that evolution has become an absolute.
etc...

So there is a lot of faith and assumptions from the other side as well.

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Relic #fundie christianforums.net

Are you fighting the good fight to STOP those perverts from overrunning the schools where our children attended and now their children attend?
Are you for the gay movement to come in and take over your neighborhood, like they have done in parts of San Francisco and other neighborhood across the world with their vile gay pride parades and vulgar display of perversions in public, many times right in front of our innocent children?
Have you ever had to deal with a gay hedonistic exhibitionist?
What about those who are not gay but bring vulgarity by way of advertisements on huge billboards in your neighborhood?
Do you want your children to have to walk past some foul sexually explicit advertisement on their way to school everyday?

And you dare tell me to put my man pants on and I would feel better? For your information, I am NOT a man. I am a woman, a grown woman/grandmother, who is very concerned about what vulgarity the secular general public is allowing to be displayed in public view for everyone to see. How appalling is that to fight the good fight against the wicked? If they are not brought to the conviction of their sin by speaking out, it convicts, then how are we being used by not participating in the battle against the wicked whiles of the devil? To just go preach mushy type gospel is not what Jesus was all about! My God is not a God to just sit idle without using his servants to speak out against the wicked deeds of others. Nor does he not use his people to speak out against the wicked. He used Moses to speak out plenty! He used many many people to speak out to the wicked about their evil deeds. Don't tell me Michael Savage is in the wrong. He is not! There are plenty of scritpures in the bible that speak out against evil and call it for what it truly is. vile vulgar fornicators whores. there are plenty enough times in the bible where the sinner is called exactly what they are by name.

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Relic #fundie christianforums.net

Al Gore is not promoting cleaner air and correcting global warming for the interest of preserving the world.

WMD warfare is more of an immediate threat than pollutions from factories. Why isn't he fighting a cause to eliminate nukes? All anyone has to do is push a button and we are all gonners. How many countries have the capacity to blow up this planet? Think abou that! But what is Gore doing? He's promoting to get huge profits from his own stock! Fact is, Global warming is the least of our threats or worries.

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Relic #fundie christianforums.net

Can you believe that we actually have schools that won’t tell children heterosexuality is healthier than homosexuality? Yet how much money is going into these same schools for AIDS education? Is there something nonsensical about this picture?

Organize a Group to Fight the "Gay" Agenda in Your School

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Ðoppleganger #fundie christianforums.net

If a day is as a 1000 years to God, he concluded that a divine year, is 365 1/4 x 1,000 or 365,250 of our own years. Thus the time between the beginning of creation and the creation of man is 42,000 x 365,250 which equals 15.34 billion years! Pretty amazing HUH! And to think a bunch of dumb Jews had it figured out a long time ago.
Scientists have measured the age of the universe and have concluded that the relationship between time near the beginning of the Big Bang and time today, is one million million. As the universe expands, time and its relationship to it would increase, right? If you viewed the six days of creation in the transmitting of time as we see today, the first day, would have been 8 billion years long. The second 24hr day period, would be experienced by us as 4 billion years. The 3rd as 2 billion. The 4th as 1 billion. The 5th as a 1/2 billion. The 6th as a of a 1/4 billion. So adding 8 + 4 + 2 + 1 + 1/2 + 1/4 equals 15 3/4 billion years! Pretty much the same as cosmologists agree.

There's also a NASA/ scientist/ evolutionist connection here. Humm, I wonder where they got that number from! Well as the story goes, NASA was researching the age of the universe when one scientist recalled that some ancient Hebrew writings might have a clue. This is the document they used to confirm there own anomolies in there research, which then dated the age of the universe to some 13 billion years, after that they dated the age to 15 billion years.

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Jeff Mills #fundie christianforums.net

If I am born and am adopted by homosexuals it is probably certain that I will grow up to be one. If I am born and live with a family of crooks it is almost certain that I will rob a bank in the future.

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JohnR #fundie christianforums.net

Even the controversal book of Genesis can be confirmed by Science to be true. For example, the Bible begins with: "In the beginning". Science confirms that the world has a beginning and a end. We read about how: "the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep". The Ruin-Reconstruction theory says that this is exactly what happens. Destruction on the earth often comes from a Volcano and the dust is so thick that there is darkness on the earth. It is said that at one time a comet hit the earth and raised a lot of dust so that darkness covered the earth and there was a lot of destruction. A lot of the different species at the time went extinct. Often these is followed by a population explosion or radiation.

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caseypayne1980 #fundie christianforums.net

(responding to bacteria formation on other planets, but not human life)

Just goes to show how this earth was created by God for humans in his image. He disn't create us to be able to withstand high temp. Or hell wouldn't be that big of a dea. He didn't create us around a strong gravity based planet or we'd more likely crawl be huge muscle masses.

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waitinontheLamb #fundie christianforums.net

[I enjoy reading the Gospel of Judas (and Judas is no traitor)]

What a non-sensical response. The man sold out the only hope for his soul for the price of a slave. He became perdition and now these gnostic "gospels" are one of the best tools lucifer has to keep people duped and in the dark, leading them to hell with him.

Don't be fooled. You step out of here believing those things and you will lose your soul.

We have violated the laws of God and now mankind chooses to further aggravate the situation by believing such tripe.

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Relic #fundie christianforums.net

This is exactly what these anti-christ "ignorant" secular liberal people are trying to do! They want to erase the definition of sin as it is in the eyes of God. They want to make perversion as a thing deemed normal. They want to eliminate all truth that protects us from what is truly evil. They are blindly "leading" our next generation into abominable sin.
We need to stop them from perverting our next generation! They know that the younger the mind, the more easily it will be embedded into their way of being. We need to protect our children from such exposure when their minds are so very vulnerable to deceptions and perversions. It's bad enough that we have to closely monitor the music they listen to and turn the tv off to protect our children from all the garbage mouthed people on the tv, from all the oversexed images, from all the bloody images, from all the violence on the tv, at such a young age! It amazes me how parents don't even speak to their children about what is being placed in front of them by way of so called entertainment. And it amazes me how parents are not monitoring what they are being taught in school.

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Relic #fundie christianforums.net

Saddam was most definitely a demon force. I saw an actual news clip which showed when he and his sons attended rituals where men were told to stab themselves in the gut with swords and dance around until they dropped dead. And you think Saddam deserved to live? You think a mass murderer who fed on killing people whenever he felt like it, a man who fed on watching people die a torturous death, deserves to live?

You seem to think God is going to bring about the end days without any use of man, that man will not be involved in the great tribulation, or that man will not be involved in the great war, but that only angels will do the work? Well the fact is that angels work through man, don't you know. And so Jesus rides in on the white horse.... in the book of revelation and doesn't slay anyone? If you don't see the hand of God working through righteousness, then you need to look back on history and see how it has been working, is working and will always be working through man. We are vessels... don't you know? If a person is going to be used by satan, they will get the damnation of being a vessel for satan. The righteousness of God works through man.... if you can't see the difference of righteousness at work against the unrighteous, then you need to look at your history lessons from a different perspective.

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caseypayne1980 #fundie christianforums.net

['Apes and humans are equally evolved. And by the way...winter isn't that cold in Africa, yet people have hair on their head there too, don't they?']

No they do not. Neither has evolved what so ever in all the recordings of mankind. Hair is to cool you in the summer and keep you warm in the winter. God really is that ahead of the game. My point is if monkeys in Africa still have hair then so should African that live there, but if you look there bald bodied as can be. Hence, Evolution does not exist.

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Squeakybro #fundie christianforums.net

The one big problem with the rational mind(reasoning out things) is that they assume that they know the truth about everything already. So they start out in their thinking with the assumption that they can know. But what does the Word of God say: unless you become as a little child, you will by no means enter the kingdom of God. And a little child just believes everything you tell them. Well that is what the Word of God says, just believe what the Word tells you. In reality the Word is saying believe it first and then God will open your understanding. But the rational mind says dont believe nothing until you have good reason behind it. This is the difference between accepting it on faith, and reasoning it out according to mans wisdom. The Word accually says to first repent then believe in the gospel. It doesnt say reason it out until it says what you want it to. To many have a pre-conceived idea planted by some man before they open the bible. Then they search to find something that supports their already pre-conceived idea.

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caseypayne1980 #fundie christianforums.net

You know what I give up. Not because I'm losing but because. What have I won If I explained something to a foolish man. He's still foolish. I"m not going to play the circle game all day with someone who seams to just want to but heads. Perhaps if you stopped reading things in a biased angle you wouldn't be were you are now. twin nested hierarchy is a pretty funny concept too. Well since we all share smiliar traits we must have all came from a common Ancestor aka the single celled organism. In reality we should be amazed that God can create and did create so many life forms with similiarities. To believe we came from an A sexual single celled organism to a organism with reproductive organs for mating is in it's self stupid. Then carring that idea to a fish and plant and later to a creature on land that grew legs. Fish in the sea today still don't have legs as far as we can remember, and last time I check they didn't want to walk on land. But the fairy tale sounds fun to believe. Have a pet fish? Go ahead and throw it out of its fish bow and tell it to walk and breath. Evolution will grab ahold of it right and for survival it will walk. lol Dummiest theories of the world today lay in science. Science can have all the angles it wants to lie. Yes I said lie because the only way out of a lie is the truth. And no self pride loving scientist is going to back down. They'll simple create more oopsie to back old oopsie. Its just that simple.

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caseypayne1980 #fundie christianforums.net

Misguided antichrist thought process is absorbed in the science threads. You guys keep up the good work of promoting false teaching that go against God. Then turn around and say it follows the bible because 1 day = millions of years in your eye's.

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Solo #fundie christianforums.net

Only morons believe in evolution. The facts of creation are clear, and the evidence is in the corner of the young earth creationists. Fables and myths are the nighttime stories read to those who require other than God as the origin of life and author of science.

[So you believe that 95% of scientists are morons. Very interesting... Very telling...]

I believe that ALL scientists who believe in macro-evolution are morons.
In a loving sense, of course.

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Atonement #fundie christianforums.net

"Give up.. I don't give up on anything, specially when it's the truth. You know something Blunt this is the 2nd time I'm telling you that Science is playing catch up. You asked me what my opinion was, I gave it. I read your site, I've seen that site a few times, Do you have any of your own thoughts, or are you gonna cut and paste from other sites? But thank you for the resource at least, that was cool. But it proves nothing invalid about the Science in the Bible. Should I quote links to you as well? No, I perfer to just use the Word of God and have you try and prove the Science wrong in it. I would start by researching the book of Job, so you can kinda get a hint on the date of this book, then maybe you would understand how this book has things that men just could have not known back then.. Because to you it was not until the 1600's that men starting using scientific methods under Francis Bacon."

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caseypayne1980 #fundie christianforums.net

Here's the kicker if the evolution scientist thinks 2 + 2 = 7. Seven being millions of years ago, then that scientist is going to work in a biased manner to get his answer and create equations to get it. So he can say after many many many test, (unaccurate ones) I believe yes things are millions of years old. And they believer there hitting the bulleye since all there tests go the same way, even if there throwing darts at the floor and the bullseye is on the wall. Creationist looks at the bible and say hey 2 + 2 = 4. Uses data based on this and comese out to a closer opinion. Lasty, remember if something goes against God and the bible it's an abonination, a false religion. Yes, science can be a false religion if you believe in it without your own study and believe in the scientist with faith. Oh the key word faith that people make fun of Christians for, this is the same for those that believe scientist without there own study.

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caseypayne1980 #fundie christianforums.net

I've read reports showing the false beliefs of science. "IF" evolution existed we'd still be hairy like apes. For evolution to choose us and not apes is way off. To say well one got to evolutionize and the other stayed hairy. Evolutionist will tell you that the hair stayed on ur head for the sun rays to get blocked. Last time I checked hair was to keep you warm in the winter, not to block sun rays. In that case how come through the generations people getting skin cancer haven't developed into hairy beasts.

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caseypayne1980 #fundie christianforums.net

And how the earth rotates around the sun in a perfect circle and not egg like. You will never find this anywhere else in the galaxy. A divine hand created life. And thats enough for me for proof of God.

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disruptor #fundie christianforums.net

Anyone with a mortgage or bank-loan is a willing participant in this Satanic scam.

[I cant get a loan now? as a grad student i guess i'm majorly screwed.....]

No...you're already being majorly screwed by the Satanic system to whom you will likely be enslaved through debt for the rest of your life.

The time you will spend working to pay off those debts is precious time you could be spending promoting God's works, appreciating His creation, being with your family, fighting Satanism and so forth. By working you to the point of exhaustion through debt, the system ensures your compliance and prevents your rebellion.

Even if you personally are fortunate enough to end up without any debts, your federal and state authorities have debts which they will pay by taxing your labor. So one way or another, you will probably end up working for them and for their master Satan. Most people do.

Most education is corrupt and un-Christian anyway, with many universities teaching a range of satanic trivia while perverting students into an "anything-goes" eclecticism. Such parasitic and pointless universities should be abolished immediately and destroyed, or turned into poor-houses, in my opinion. Students should start again with a Bible, a piece of paper and a pencil.

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alasdair #fundie christianforums.net

I speak with the voice of the Lord because I'm the Archangel. I appreciate that it might be difficult to believe, but please look at the contents of the site (proof for Christianity, resolution of large parts of the Bible etc).

Leave Florida. Repent from sins later (you are better off being alive because you can help more people. So don't worry about "running away from the Lord" or anything like that - the Lord isn't a big Tsunami, he is a starving African child).

Someone should advertise to Floridans - I can't afford it (otherwise I'd do it), but someone in America must be able to.

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destiny #fundie christianforums.net

I believe that when a country turns it's back on God....Outright kicks Him out of the public arena in the name of 'sensitivity'and 'tolerance', murders unborn babies by the thousands daily, and whose churches are falling to apostasy and giving way to homosexual leadership and humanism at an alarmig rate; ....is subject to the judgment of God.

We are the ones who forfeit blessing for curse at a national level.
Too me, it's just a matter of what was once under blessing is now under a curse; God will simply stop blessing us and allow us to see what its like without his favor.
I believe that means seeing more things like katrina and 9/11.

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Relic #fundie christianforums.net

[You should excuse the expression, but how does one get 'initiated' into homosexuality?]

Sadly! We know it is only some of the many ways they try to initiate by molestation of our children and young adults.

Another way they try to initiate our children into homosexuality is by using a very subtle form of molestation and one that is also very offensive in that it perverts the minds of innocent young children, is to write vulgar books about homosexual relationships and read them to children in kindergarten and 7 year old children in the 2nd grade! They dare to introduce these teaching into the school systems curriculum to our very very young children , as if it to be a "normal" type of relationship. Another way is to write books about teens having explicit homosexual acts and show them to kids in high school and give children sex education classes which shows them how to have so called safe sex with the same sex. Those are just a few of the many ways in which the homosexual pedophiles (called pederasts) use as part of Their Agenda to initiate and brainwash the minds of our babies and young adults without our consent!

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Preacher Boy #fundie christianforums.net

I am glad my children are deprived from the world by being homeschooled, no cable TV, sit with us in church and they are each others best friend. Don't let anyone convince you your kid needs friends! I could have done without almost all my childhood friends, and this world isn't any better than it was 20 years ago.

My children are my responsibility and I refuse to turn them over to the wolves of the society, whatever disguise it wears!

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carey #fundie christianforums.net

Ban the koran for its command for all believers to strike
terror in the heart of ALL unbelievers with any steed of war at the believers disposal.
Terrorism is illegal and the Koran commands it. Anyone claiming to be a muslim is admitting to plot terror.

There are many ways to single out only Islam.

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HeWillReturn #racist christianforums.net

But seriously, I really like this idea. It is like a big sign that tells us who the worse sinners are. Africans have the highest percentage of AIDS. They must generally be horrible sinners! Makes you wonder why God even made them.

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Relic #fundie christianforums.net

[Relic thinks he's found the cure for homosexuality]

Everyone knows the Physical can be treated by doctors that aren't type who are nothing but butchers or money hungry vultures. Nothing like a good dose of testosterone when it is lacking or, in the case of women estrogen. If it is not physical, it is a mental condition. Both can be treated properly, And, Christ Jeus teaches the healing and overcoming of any malady. Even to those who are physically disabled in other ways.

If a person is depressed do we advocate for them to stay in the depressed state of being? NO. So then, why do you advocate for the person who has a chemical imbalance to stay in the homosexual state of being if what is out of balance in their bodies are their testosterone or estrogen levels?

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destiny #fundie christianforums.net

[What causes a person to become a homosexual?]

A child has an abusive or perverse role model, which in turn leaves the child with no spiritual covering and leaves them open to perverse demonic spirits, these demons confuse the gender and identity of the person.
OR..
A person engages in homosexual sex out of enticement or curiousity and then a double wammy occurs.
They commit a gross sin against God, plus, there is a transferance of a perverse demon from one person to the other.
I have been accused of over spiritualizing, but I believe this sort of thing is very real.

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disruptor #conspiracy christianforums.net

HIV does not, in fact, exist. The so-called human immunodeficiency virus, HIV, is only an "externalization", to absolve the AIDS patient of responsibility for his/her disease.

Anyone doubting this should consider that HIV has never even been isolated. This simple and amazing fact in itself should make everyone suspicious about the entire AIDS industry.

When someone "tests positive" for HIV, they actually test positive for reverse transcriptase enzyme activity which is assumed to indicate the presence of HIV in the patient. There is in fact a total lack of evidence for the existence of HIV.

At the time, everyone was in a mad rush to find the "cause" of AIDS. Those who came up with something first would be assured of endless research funds, fame etc. The homosexual lobby seized on the first announcement to claim a viral cause, since then it would no longer be their own fault. It's always easier to blame a "virus" than one's own misbehavior.

Rom. 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Some Quotes on the Non-Existence of HIV:

"Kary Mullis, Nobel laureate in chemistry 1993 and inventor of the polymerase chain reaction, needed a reference for "the generally known fact" that HIV was the cause of AIDS. While working on a project he became aware that he didn´t know a scientific reference for the statement he had just written down: HIV is the probable cause of AIDS. So he asked the next virologist at the table after that basic paper. The virologist told Mullis, he wouldn´t need a reference in this case; after all, everyone knows that HIV leads to AIDS. Kary Mullis disagreed and thought such an important discovery should be published in some paper. He learnt soon that it was impossible to find such a paper." Claus Kohnlein.

"Whenever and wherever reverse transcriptase activity was detected it was rashly assumed that retroviruses were at work. This turned out to be a grave error, because it was later found that the enzyme occurred in all living matter, proving that reverse transcriptase activity had nothing to do with retroviruses per se.......It is incomprehensible that Francoise Barre-Sinoussi, a member of Montagnier's group, as well as Gallo's group itself in 1984, claimed to have discovered a new virus, when all they did was to demonstrate reverse transcriptase activity, and to publish photographs of cellular particles without proof that they were viruses. They could neither isolate them nor show that they were responsible for creating the observed reverse transcriptase activity nor the tissue abnormalities from which they were obtained. They concluded: "the role of the virus in the aetiology of AIDS remains to be determined". Stefan Lanka.

http://www.whale.to/a/hivfraud.html

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ikester7579 #fundie christianforums.net

Do you know the "only" test that would prove this [that the soul has a weight] wrong? Take a animal, which has no soul, and do the same test. If it loses weight upon death, then it is physical. If it don't, then the other test proves there is a soul. I don't know of any scientist brave enough to make such a bold quest for actual truth. Because this test has been out there for how long? And no one, that wants to disprove this, is not smart enough to figure out that a soul-less life test would bring no doubt?

I actually think the test has already been done. But the atheist did not like the out come. So it was never revealed. There is a difference between wanted actual truth, and justification for what one wants to believe.

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Gabbylittleangel #fundie christianforums.net

[regarding the question of fossil evidence and what happened to Dinosaurs]

Believe it or not, this is one of the topics that I discussed with the Lord. gators and crocks, yes. So are elephants and Rhinoceros's (Praise God for spellcheck )

Some of the things that God revealed to me was that they were not vicious. The big guy with the huge pointy teeth? He ate trees. There was one dino that was found that scientist had believed had swallowed another dinosaur whole? He did not. She was pregnant. They did not lay eggs, they gave live birth, like rhinos do today.
Well, except for the big bird thingy. And unlike its Hollywood and Japanese film counterparts, they had feathers.

Why are they gone? The Lord says that there were not all that many of them to begin with. They were on the ark. And they simply did not reproduce after the flood rapidly enough to survive. With the exception of the ones that survived. Crocks, gators, elephants, rhinos.

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Gabbylittleangel #fundie christianforums.net

[as it got clear in a later post, the first sentence is to be understood literally; she actually asserts that God told her about this in a private conversation]

Something else the Lord revealed. There is one creature that scientist put together from some bones that they found. They created a whole new animal that never existed.
They took a long bone from each leg, and made a huge tail out of it. It became a dinosaur with a long neck, short legs, and a long tail. The bones were actually from a giraffe. #Rofl

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jgredline #fundie christianforums.net

Thank God I am not catholic. I thank the good Lord my mom found Jesus and sent us to a Nazarene church right before we were to start getting brainwashed in the catholic church when I was in third grade.

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spreadingtheword #fundie christianforums.net

The other day while installing some new fiber optics cables for a satellite array I overheard some coworkers talking about quarks. Quarks are supposedly tiny particles that nobody can see and nobody has any use for. So why do we know about them? What good does it possibly do us to know what a quark is? Just another example of useless science, and wasted money on the so called research needed for this great discovery.

I seriously have to wornder about people who spend their free time thinking about things like quarks or quasars. There are more important things to do.

As far as I am concerned if an answer to a question isn't in the bible, then the you have no business asking the question. A few years ago when my wife suddenly had to get an emergency c-section I was scared. But I didnt turn to any book about quarks. Luckily I had my palm pilot with me, which just happened to have the entire King James bible on it! I read a few passages that gave me the strength to pray for her and the baby to get through this ordeal. I sure didn't need any useless trivia books about quarks to find comfort in.

I have very little use for science. In fact it is in impediment to getting close to God.

[Someone points out the obvious fact that c-sections and computers are a benefit of science.]

You are confusing TECHNOLOGY with SCIENCE.

Technology and science are often lumped together, but are totally separate and unrelated things.

Technology makes peoples lives easier. Technology is the product of inventive geniuses who were inspired by God. Inventions and innovations improve life.

Science causes confustion and makes things complicated. Everytime there is a new discovery the old discoveries and old wisdom are discarded! And theories get more and more complex. Science makes people confused and complicates things. Who is the author of confusion? Satan of course. The bible it the opposite of science. Biblical wisdom NEVER CHANGES, and anyone can get it. Scientific wisdom is always changing and contradicting itself, and really nobody gets it.

Please don't insult our intelligence by lumping science and technology together. They are as different at night and day.

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spreadingtheword #fundie christianforums.net

How many of you agree that science needs to be reined in, and that out of control science is one of the greatest dangers to mankind short of Satan himself? YES

Should there be limits to what scientists can study? YES

Should all research be subjected to some kind of ethics board approval? YES

Should be some kind of review of any proposed research for ethical purposes, and should that board include people who are not themselves scientists? YES

Is the whole idea of discovery for the sake of discovery is flawed? YES

Are there limits to what mankind should be allowed to know? YES

Is the much touted liberal idea of being open minded a recipie for destruction? YES

Does being too open minded cause people to think too much and question too much? YES

Is it dangerous to think too much, and question too much? YES

Is it dangerous to know too much? YES

Does knowledge ultimately reduce peoples fear of God? YES

Is it better to be closed minded - secure in the knowledge that God has told you everything that you need to know? YES

We really need to put the breaks on science. Scientists should only be allowed to study what needs to be studied as decided by the people. Scientists should stop telling people what to believe.

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Vic #fundie christianforums.net

[What is going on here ? There are groups opposed to circumcision ? This is crazy. The procedure is Biblical, because hats where it comes from. Even though it is supposed to be on the 8th day, because God knew that less bleeding would would take place on the 8th day after birth. I forgot how it goes but on the 8th day your body does something.]

The body starts to produce coagulants, namely vitamin K, after 8 days. Would Man have actually know this thousands of yeas ago? Hmmm...

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Poke #fundie christianforums.net

[in response to someone who explained him that the Big Bang and Abiogenesis have nothing to do with evolution]

How can we have a productive conversation when you insist on a silly and irrelevant definition of Evolution?

[later in the same post regarding his idea of what evolution is]

Document the transition of a chimp into a human through natural selection and mutation. I understand that this would take to long or maybe not happen at all. So, feel free to identify any emperical example of anything else that would meet Darwin's definition of Darwinism.

[in response to the poster saying new species and new genera has been observed]

Mere speciation has nothing to do with Evolution. Read Darwin's Origin of Species for the correct definition of Darwinism.

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dad #fundie christianforums.net

Matter in the past must have cooled fast. We see the seperation of waters from land in Gen 1. If this happened today we would be cooked. Just like if the continents seperated fast, it would now cause great heat. Therefore matter was different, and cooled fast in the past.

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dad #fundie christianforums.net

Science is a weak little kid on the block, that is hearing impaired, and 94% blind. The bible is like the hubble telescope, and a master computer, and a time machine rolled into one. It goes to the past, and the distant future in a cosmic rolls royce. But those who are not concerned with the bible, and just science must accept their huge limitations.

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Imagican #fundie christianforums.net

[A post about gay marriage and raising children]

Now, the Christ said that if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. If your hand causes you to sin cut it off. I say that if your, you know what [penis], offends you, cutting it off may be an option.

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-maranatha- #fundie christianforums.net

Of course evolution can´t be brought together with the book of Genesis.
The "death" of bacterias was no death, because I can´t remember bacterias being considered as living beings anywhere in scripture.
Normally people don´t speak or think of the death of bacterias...