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[On trying to explain dinosaurs]

I am not sure. My current understanding, subject to change as evidence warrants, is this. I think that dinos evolved from birds, and maybe reptiles, or whatever as well. I doubt they were created as such. After all, as the world changed they ceased to exist. If they were a kind, they would be on the ark! That means they would have been here after the flood, 4500 years ago. Don't think so, at least not most of them.

Also subject to evidence is the time of the flood in the strata record, which I put somewhere near the KT boundary time. (as I say, subject to evidence, but so far, it seems to be a reasonable choice)

Why would giants or dinos die out before the flood? Not sure, maybe man and creatures spreading out from Eden took over the food supply, etc. Or, maybe the dinos were killed in the flood? If they were no kinds, that would be OK biblically.

If water came down from space, and up from deep below the earth, one would expect Iridium!

PS...intelligent man would likely tend to avoid them! I would. Unless I wanted a big omlette or something.

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old comment by Horsefeathers

"I am not sure. My current understanding, subject to change as evidence warrants, is this. I think that dinos evolved from birds, and maybe reptiles, or whatever as well."

Well, you got it half right but ass backwards. You're doing much better than usual!

"I doubt they were created as such."

You're not the only one.

"After all, as the world changed they ceased to exist."

Having a rather large meteor land on you tends to do that.

"If they were a kind, they would be on the ark!"

Would one of you goofy bastards please define "kind" in some meaningful, rational and preferably scientific manner?

"That means they would have been here after the flood, 4500 years ago."

There was no flood 4500 years ago. At least not the one you're talking about. I'm sure there were many, just not yours.

"Don't think so, at least not most of them. "

Which is it? They all died in a flood or most of them died in a flood? You can't have it both ways.

"Also subject to evidence is the time of the flood in the strata record,"

No, the evidence pretty well sets your flood right around never.

"which I put somewhere near the KT boundary time. (as I say, subject to evidence, but so far, it seems to be a reasonable choice)"

Reasonable based on what? You don't even know what the KT boundary is, do you?

"Why would giants or dinos die out before the flood?"

Because a fucking ginormous meteor fell on their heads.

"Not sure, maybe man and creatures spreading out from Eden took over the food supply, etc."

Yeah, that's it. Humans, who didn't exist, or other "creatures" took over the food supply of the dominant life forms on the planet. Sure. That's a particularly grand accomplishment seeing as how humans wouldn't exist for another 65 million years or so.

"Or, maybe the dinos were killed in the flood?"

Or maybe, just maybe, there was no fucking flood and the dinosaurs died out from a mass extinction event.

"If they were no kinds, that would be OK biblically."

Trust me, dinosaurs weren't "kinds".

"If water came down from space, and up from deep below the earth, one would expect Iridium!"

One would? Why exactly?

"PS...intelligent man would likely tend to avoid them! I would. Unless I wanted a big omlette or something."

Intelligent or not, humans would have become extinct quite quickly if they existed at the time of the dinosaurs.

old comment by atheist crusader

@agentCDE

i did not so much cry more spat my tea everywhere

"I am not sure. My current understanding, subject to change as evidence warrants, is this. I think that dinos evolved from birds, and maybe reptiles"

no your not sure as you think dinosaurs evolved from birds

"Also subject to evidence is the time of the flood in the strata record, which I put somewhere near the KT boundary time. (as I say, subject to evidence, but so far, it seems to be a reasonable choice)"

hmmmmm nope i've never seen any evidence at the KT boundry or indeed any geological boundry, of ANY mass flood

"Why would giants or dinos die out before the flood? Not sure, maybe man and creatures spreading out from Eden took over the food supply, etc. Or, maybe the dinos were killed in the flood? If they were no kinds, that would be OK biblically".

it could be a little known metoer collision just to the NE of the yucataan penninsula, where if you look at sonar imaging, you can see a bloody great crater

If water came down from space, and up from deep below the earth, one would expect Iridium!

hmmmmmmm NO, JUST NOT NO!!!!!

iridium comes from foreign bodies from space like hmmmm i dont know METEORITES!!

again look at the the rock layer and you will see a layer of iridium in the rock, also any iridium brought down from icy asteroids would have been dissapated into irridium hydroxide, which would have started to decompose once enough water had been formed

"PS...intelligent man would likely tend to avoid them! I would. Unless I wanted a big omlette or something".

hmm no, we would have hunted dinosuars, but they would have wiped us out as we would have been fairly low in the food chain, and would have been easy pickings for a t rex or allosaurus, and even a veloceraptor

so sorry dad, you fail BIG TIME!!!

old comment by Zoo

There's no way that all the things you guys want to have happened could have happened in 4000-4500 years, and you can't really look for evidence because you can't even be sure of how your basic terms are defined.

"If they were no kinds, that would be OK biblically."

For one, define "kind". For two, I don't see any reason they would not be kinds (taking a kind to be anything I've seen it defined as, like some species at superfamily level [able to give rise to a family, or sometimes they seem to be placed higher to give rise to more than that]), since they ranged from smaller than chicken size to famously massive, they ranged from herbivore to carnivore, their bodies worked like everything else's generally speaking. . . .

"PS...intelligent man would likely tend to avoid them! I would."

Just like they avoided and still avoid large animals like elephants and jaguars, and herds like peccary. Their skin, teeth and other parts just magically appeared in human usage. Also, you're conceited.

Blaze Stryker: "According the christian beliefs you're trying to shoehorn in, the whole universe is just 4500 years old"

Actually they figure it to be about 6000 (10000 for those that will allow for error), and by adding up the begats they figure the flood happened about 4500 years ago, 1500 years after creation. I would like to know, if God could only stand to wait 1500 then, why he's taking so much longer this time.

old comment by Darwin's Lil' Girl

1. Dinosaurs are a type of reptile according to our current understanding. Evidence today points that they evolved into birds.
2. If your interpretation of when the flood happened were subject to physical evidence, you wouldn't believe in a flood at all. No evidence exists it ever even happened. No, putting it near the KT boundary does not make sense...especially seeing as the KT boundary was 65 million years ago and you claim the flood came during the time of the Fourth Dynasty in Egypt.
3. But...wait, didn't all animals exist in Eden before the fall? In any case, two of everything in Eden certainly wasn't enough for the food supply to dry up on Earth, because the animals all reproduced and made more of themselves.
4. If you looked at the evidence when forming your ideas on dinosaurs, you wouldn't still be a YEC.