A. The first divine commandment to the first finite human was to perpetuate the human race by having children. The power to create and perpetuate is a divine attribute in mortal beings. Let's use it.
B. A child is a blessing, and who doesn't want a(nother) blessing. Some times we might be inclined to hesitate because, like anything valuable, children come with a price. At least so we think. The reality is life is priceless.
C. Ultimately, procreating is a partnership with G-d, and an expression of trust in Him. Children cost too much? Worried about global overpopulation? That's where trust in G-d helps to iron things out. The excuse "I can't afford it" or "it's bad for Earth" melts in the face of faith. G-d is big enough to feed another child. (Starvation in the world today is a result of sociological issues, not agricultural capacity.)
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One word:
Overpopulation.
Fundies are terrible at math, proof #947956783
Overpopulation will be "ironed out" no matter what. The question is, should we ignore it completely and suffer through mass starvation such as humans have never known, or are we intelligent enough as a species to figure out a better way? I'm betting on the latter, but fundies certainly won't help us along the way.
Yeah, children are fantastic, rainbow-shitting blessings and nobody could ever not want them and children never get abused, murdered, or neglected and etc...
Starvation is often a result of sociological issues, sure. Though, it can also be caused by things like drought and lack of resources. But, alright, so why is god not solving these problems, exactly? I mean, if we're *really* supposed to put it all in god's big ol' capable hands, seems he should be on top of this crap.
"God is big enough to feed another child."
What, you're saying God is just going to magic some food and money down from the sky for people who can't afford to feed their kids? How about telling that to every single mother on a minimum wage job or every starving child in Africa?
When you have a child, you are creating another person, a real person, like you and me, who has thoughts and wishes and fears and who deserves a worthy life.
So before you do, try to bloody think. It is NOT about you.
"G-d is big enough to feed another child."
- So why doesn't he?
- Not yet, and you are ducking the question. Why isn't your god taking an active hand in protecting his creation? Has your god lost interest in the world since biblical times? Is your god no longer effectual? Why is that your god encourage careless population growth but doesn't feel a need to help once the babies are born?
Starvation in the world today is a result of sociological issues, not agricultural capacity.
(1) Those sociological issues aren't going to be going away.
(2) When the global population reaches 9 or 10 billion later on this century when fossil fuels supplies continue to dwindle and fresh, potable water for drinking, industry and agriculture becomes a much more scarce commodity, the "sociological issues" are going to take a back seat to the hard, practical ones. Land area is secondary--crops take water to grow and energy to harvest and transport.
So you admit that there are starving people in the world that your god isn't taking care of...then you insist that people need to have more children because your god will provide?
When you hear yourself talk, does it actually make sense to you?
I thought most Jews were smarter than this, and they mostly are, but it'd be nice if the dumb people just stayed out of certain religions. I also thought Judaism said that no one has a personal relationship with God, so therefore procreating cannot be one. Bigots always screw up their ideologies.
A. Then bacteria are divine too becuase nearly every organism generally tries to procreate and usually can.
B.No, life is not priceless. Every human life uses resources that could have been used elsewhere.
C.If Yahweh can feed starving children,then WHY DOESN"T HE? He let's them starve to prove a point or something? What a dick.
It is true that starvation is a result of sociaological issues rather than agricultural capacity, however, pollution, the shortfall in the supply of potable water, the shortfall in other natural resources, damage to the environment, Climate change, collapse of medical services and the rise of new, virulent pathogens are all exacerbated by overpopulation.
Another place science trumps god. And I just love those people who use G-d because they're afraid of taking his name in vain. God is used instead of his name, which would be El, I believe, so that you don't invoke his name. Besides which, you're completely misinterpreting the point of not taking his name in vain if you at once avoid saying it while using his name to support your personal ideals. Your rules and reasoning aren't those of a divine being. Using a god's name to support them is, in fact, using their name in vain. Tada! You're a sinner and going to hell. ...if there were such a place. Yay logic.
Children cost too much? Worried about global overpopulation? That's where trust in G-d helps to iron things out.
Classic fundamentalism: disclaim any agency for which you don't want responsibility, and instead pin it on your deity, who conveniently can't be challenged. Occasionally disclaim agency on things that you might want responsibility for just to keep things balanced.
G-d is big enough to feed another child.
In that case, I'm sure you'd be perfectly willing to lock your child in a room for a month and never feed him/her, because God will magically provide your kid food.
The excuse..."it's bad for Earth" melts in the face of faith.
So do the polar ice caps.
To sum up the argument
a) FUCK LIKE BUNNIES! You know, without birth control and for producing as many babies as possible, because Upper case G minus lower case d said so.
b) Children are great, really.
c) don't worry about any possible problems: g minus d will sort it out, unless he doesn't.
You faith addled short sighted excuse for a human being. Use the rational faculties for a change, and stop placing all responsibility on something you are afraid to spell.
Ultimately, procreating is a partnership with G-d, and an expression of trust in Him. Children cost too much? Worried about global overpopulation? That's where trust in G-d helps to iron things out. The excuse "I can't afford it" or "it's bad for Earth" melts in the face of faith. G-d is big enough to feed another child.
Then why isn't Gunderscored feeding the billion or so children who are slowly starving to death right now? Is he too busy appearing on a piece of toast in Peoria or something?
Judaism, Christianity, Islam... all the same stupidity.
OVERPOPULATION you dumb fucks
"(Starvation in the world today is a result of sociological issues, not agricultural capacity.)"
The socialogical issue being fundies believe in a magic man who will make sure they have enough to eat if they kill the magic mans enemies.
Children cost too much? Worried about global overpopulation? That's where trust in G-d helps to iron things out. The excuse "I can't afford it" or "it's bad for Earth" melts in the face of faith.
So in other words, you don't have any answers to these problems other than, "trust in G-d." Well excuse me for being a rational person who takes these problems seriously and looks for real solutions, mainly by not having as many kids as possible. The good Rabbi's lame arguments have just reinforced my conviction that having a vasectomy was a good thing.
Trust in God? *looks at the sorry state of the world today* No thanks, he's doing a very shitty job.
Yo, Rabbi...image
....meanwhile we NORMAL PEOPLE are going to have lots of hot, contraception-laden sex & tons of sterilization operations!
You're God is dead! He'll be butt-raped by the Horned God of Nature while forced to orally pleasure the Mother Goddess!
"A child is a blessing, and who doesn't want a(nother) blessing."
Probably those smart enough to realize that they can't properly care for another (or any ) "blessing".
"Ultimately, procreating is a partnership with G-d, and an expression of trust in Him. Children cost too much? Worried about global overpopulation? That's where trust in G-d helps to iron things out. The excuse 'I can't afford it' or 'it's bad for Earth' melts in the face of faith."
Not for the rational among us.
"G-d is big enough to feed another child. (Starvation in the world today is a result of sociological issues, not agricultural capacity.)"[/b
That's supposed to let your god off the hook, how?
Even if we buy the Genesis story, there was a tiny population 6000 years ago. I'm pretty sure no reasonable god wants us to reproduce until we starve our species to extinction. You give God credit for a lot of things (landing planes safely, operations going well, etc.) why not credit him with birth control as his way of not having us ruin our chance of survival by eating up all of the resources on the planet?
(Starvation in the world today is a result of sociological issues, not agricultural capacity.)
So your god would save the starving children if the reason were agricultural, but because it is sociological he lets them die?
Why again should we worship a being like that?
"Starvation in the world today is a result of sociological issues, not agricultural capacity"
It appears we have a stopped clock, because this is actually true. We produce enough agricultural to feed 11 billion people but we only feed around 6 billion humans. Where does the extra go? Waste, transport loss, and feeding cows. Mostly the last one.
Anyone writing GdashD and are too afraid to write the three letters G,o,d together, get an automatic WTF!
1. Let's assume for a second that that happened. That would have been when the total human population was in the thousands, it's in the billions now. Clearly, reproduction isn't a problem anymore.
2. I'm going to concede this point, barring the last two short sentences and the term Blessing.
3. Since when are fundies afraid of typing out the word "god"? Besides that, yes, facts do tend to spit in the face of mythology. As for the sentence in parentheses, this rabbi has a point. We could easily feed the world if we used it better.
I'm going to say fundie, but not as bad as most, so not WTF.
Don't take responsibility for your actions because God is going to take care of every little thing!
Yeah, right. If that were the case, why are there hungry people to being with?
The only intelligent thing in here is that starvation is due to sociological issues. There is plenty of food in the world but the way it is distributed leads to starvation. If we provided an international mechanism of aid to help people in need of food through transfers and if we could get tyrants not to stand in the way then we could end world hunger. There is aid, but currently it's not sufficient to end world hunger and then you have places like N. Korea which are cordoned off from the world.
Every time I see the "G-d" thing, I just want to beat the everloving shit out of the person using it. Irrational response, I know, but goddamn is it annoying.
@mattiedef
In jewish tradition, it is irreverent to say the name of God. So stop teasing him for that.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but “God” is not the name of the god of Abraham, it is what he is called instead of his real name. So the G_d thing makes exactly no sense.
It’s like the people in the Harry Potter novels calling Voldemort “He who shall not be named” and then they suddenly would decide to start calling him “H_ w_o s_h_ll n_t b_ n_am_ed”.
Confused?
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