[In response to how if god could be self creating or eternal, why could not matter?]
Said it before- say it again- time travel. Something like God could create a.... something.... a ball of some kind of hyper-matter or something.... with exactly the right properties. And cut open a hole in time/space. Then toss said whatever back into whatever it was before even Time existed. And that whatever would then cause the chain reaction that'd birth all existence, including God. I mean, this is something graspable even from the mortal plain, so it's not a leap of imagination or intelligence. It's just incapable of happening without SENTIENT interference.
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This way, madness lies.gone !"
Wait, is this guy saying that the big bang happened, and God was created by it? That's a new one on me, not to mention that time travel bullshit.
Occam's chainsaw award?
The word is spacetime, idiot.
"It's just incapable of happening without SENTIENT interference."
Occam's Chainsaw Award FTW
If one accepts that "God" could be eternal or self-creating, one must accept that matter or energy could be eternal or self-creating. However, proof exists for existence matter and energy, not so for the existence of "God."
Right, so a something created a something, then did something impossible, then travelled in an impossible direction down a one way dimension to a point on that dimension BEFORE that dimension existed.
The Law of Conservation of Matter kind of says matter can't be created, and if you went back into the past, and you are made of matter, that matter existed then... So either something in that time just lost half its mass or you just created matter, which is impossible.
Ah! A something, a ball of hypermatter with all the right properties, or something! The thingies will save the day!
"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff."
-The Tenth Doctor
That was the first thing that popped into my head.
In order to be able to send something back in time you have to exist in the first place. Right?
If you've said it so many time, shouldn't you have a better story around it than this? "God could create a... something..."
"Something like God could create a.... something...."
This is the most telling. Okay then, udsuna. If you have all the answers (as you fundies claim), then riddle me this:
Who created God?
...and no, 'God is eternal' isn't a viable answer. Or excuse. After all, what did God do for all the infinite eons previously before he created even the Angels? They can't be equally eternal, because for them to do so, they'd have to be at least equal in omnipotence, omnipresence & omniscience to God, and that can't be, because it would go against the very basis of your core beliefs now, wouldn't it?
Aye, there's the rub...!
"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but *actually* from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint -- it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff."
Edit: Damn, beaten to it. Unsurprisingly.
"God could create a.... something.... a ball of some kind of hyper-matter or something.... with exactly the right properties. And cut open a hole in time/space."
You mean like the artificial singularity (a man-made black hole) that is the basis of the Fold-Drive in the eponymous ship, in the film "Event Horizon"? Oh yeah. That worked out so well, didn't it?!
But then, considering the Old Testament, even the 'Chaos Dimension' said ship went to, came back from (and ultimately returned to) is a walk in the park compared to the gruesome things your so-called 'God' did, ordered or allowed.
'Liberate tutame ex inferis' indeed.
@Scott
"Also, on the subject of time travel... The Law of Conservation of Matter kind of says matter can't be created, and if you went back into the past, and you are made of matter, that matter existed then... So either something in that time just lost half its mass or you just created matter, which is impossible."
Wait, isn't God supposed to be eternal? Why should he NEED to time-travel in the first place? While I agree that God had a hand in creation, any competent Christian (and almost all incompetent ones, for that matter) would tell you God was there before time existed. So basically, you're committing blasphemy.
Oh also, if God did that, he'd create a time paradox, since He would've created Himself, and all matter as well.
"I can imagine things that don't exist, therefore they have actual existence and are necessarily superior and older than the physical world." But since human brains have created imaginary deities, they had to come first and actually evolved quite late in the universe.
Confused?
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