So now you have your way because prayer is out of school and all these children think like you do. The result of the lib mind set since the 60's has resulted in what we have now a failing Public School system that many graduate illiterates. You libs did a fine job with the school system huh? I believe we should do an experiment to prove who is really wrong. We should reintroduce the Pledge of Allegiance and prayer a see just what happens.
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We have a failing school system because peabrains like you handed it an unfunded mandate, eliminated civics and social studies and music and art, replaced science with creationism and history with Bartonism, dumbed down the textbooks, made teachers teach to the test, and did everything you could to helotize Americans from kindergarten up.
It isn't liberals who've been laying off teachers for thirty years and cutting their salaries and benefits so low that most of the best and the brightest won't go near those jobs.
And just WTF does prayer in school, or more ridiculous yet, the pledge (which they still say, BTW), have to do with the literacy rate?
We should reintroduce the Pledge of Allegiance and prayer a see just what happens.
(praying)
All hail, mighty Katulu...
Oh, that's not what you meant by prayer.
Prayer has not been removed from public schools. The only thing that was restricted in 1963 is agents of the states leading prayers and endorsing religion in schools.
If you want to reintroduce state run prayers, let's do an experiment, let's force the children to sit through Muslim prayers, or Hindu prayers. I have a feeling you would throw a huge fit over prayer in school if we did that.
" I believe we should do an experiment to prove who is really wrong. "
We did that already. It's called no child left behind. The result of the con mind set since the oees has resulted in what we have now a failing Public School system that many graduate illiterates. You cons did a fine job with the school system huh?
So now you have your way because education is out of school and all these children think like you do.
OK, please tell me how reciting the Pledge or a prayer every day, to the point of it being just rote recitation by the children and them not really knowing what they really mean, is going to help the school system improve? Ever think that if kids want to pray on their own, they can already do so? If kids don't want to pray or be religious, having a daily prayer isn't going to change that. And it won't do squat to improve the schools.
I have a better idea - let's tax based on income and invest more money in our public schools. Boo-hoo, a few CEOs can't afford a private jet but just maybe we can pay good teachers a nice wage. Money beats prayer, moron.
Prayer was never kicked out of the schools. Students can pray silently to themselves anytime they want as long as they don't disrupt the rest of the class.
As for the Pledge of Allegiance, I'd love to see it reintroduced in it's original form devoid of "under god".
It's not the removal of school enforced prayer, it's the removal of funding and caps put on how much a school can raise to support themselves. Right wing nut job *conservatives* are right now chipping away at the public school system by trying to defund it completely.
What is with the Right and defunding important and hard won social programs?
My step-father went to a conservative school in a conservative area and they passed him on through each grade even though they knew he couldn't read. Yeah let's just go back to the 50s! That'll be great!
I'll tell you what would happen if you forced your flag worship and prayer -not a fucking thing except maybe a backlash.
Go visit Mexican schools -a conservative, Catholic, Christian country (far more religious than the US) and tell us how their public school system works.
They would still graduate as illiterates. If you want to end the trend you have to teach English, mathematics, biology, chemistry, physics, geography, history, and leave the religious bullshit for church on Sunday.
Fundie Beliefs #31 : School Prayer
Prayers are especially effective when recited in unison in public school classrooms. Praying at home before or after school doesn’t have the same effect, which is why it’s important for good Christians to get the public school prayer ban lifted and reinstitute the saying of the Lord’s Prayer*. It’s well known that if Bible-believing Christians force the children of godless, latte-sipping liberals to recite the Protestant "our Father" in unison every morning it’ll teach them not to grow up into queers, vegetarians or Democrats.
* The King James Protestant version, of course. Only a papist leaves out the "for thine is the kingdom
" part.
Yes, lets go back to before the libs took over in the 60's: That is when the rich paid 90% income tax. Also, minorities we pretty much suppressed from holding any good jobs.
Of course that meant great public schools (for white kids).
And the only way to get back there is to reintroduce the Pledge of Allegiance (I didn't know it went away) and bring back prayer (again, I didn't know you couldn't pray in school).
Something tells me this guy's idea on how to win a war would be something like "go back to the time of using soldiers who carried guns". It's so simple it just might work.
"We should reintroduce the Pledge of Allegiance and prayer a see just what happens."
We'd have a bunch of superstitious, nationalist illiterates? Is that your brilliant solution?
You libs did a fine job with the school system huh?
Strange, the education level is the highest in the more liberal states. Education is the worst in the Bible Belt. 12th grade high school in the Bible Belt is about the same as 7th grade in Massachusetts.
Go to a Republican rally and start pushing for more money for education: you'll get boo'd off the stage. Conservatives don't want people to become educated. The educated usually end up voting liberal.
The result of the lib mind set since the 60's has resulted in what we have now a failing Public School system
Really?Not because of idiots like Texas GOP then I guess:
You simply can not make this shit up!
Kids can still pray if they feel like it, you just can't have a government official lead a school prayer. Also, a lot of the countries that are ahead of the US in education don't have daily prayers to the Christian god. Maybe you're full of bullshit, and the failing education system is caused by the lack of funding it receives due to conservatives. Just a thought.
Top ten US states in education level*
1. Vermont
Blue state. Blue state. Blue state. The only red states in the Top 10 are Virginia and Montana - and even Virginia is debatable; they voted for Obama in '08.
Sure looks like liberal approaches to education work. Huh.
*The site explains that the ranking "measures states based on student achievement, positive outcomes and personal attention from teachers."
Reintroduce... the pledge? Uh, numbnuts, it never went away. Also, reintroducing prayer is against the law. And by the law I'm preferring to part of THE CONSTITUTION. Read the constitution before you claim to support it, otherwise you're the real un-American people here.
Okay, so all Bill has to do here is definitively prove that removing faculty/staff-led prayer (social conservatives always simplify it to "school prayer" because they want to make it seem like little fundie boys and girls in public schools aren't still allowed to pray their little asses off) directly lead to a "failing public school system" instead of a myriad of other factors not related to a lack of genuflection to 8 lb 6 oz baby Jesus. Should be easy.
finally, it's prayer! Here I am thinking the school system is failing because of funding cuts and discrimination against teachers! (well, they had it coming, fat cat teachers, giving my kid bad grade in biology class for not answering questions about evilution)
Every time a Conservative or Republican takes office in either Canada or the US education takes a knife somewhere that bleeds profusely.
George Walker "Dubya" Bush: Republican, devout Christian, literally wears the flag as often as he can find an excuse for, graduate of the most expensive and respected private school in the US and possibly the world... Instituted the "No Child Left Behind" policy that automatically passes failing children and is rumored to be *nearly illiterate* from having bought his way through school. This is partially evidenced by him holding chldren's books upside-down.
Perhaps we should institute a mandatory restriction that prevents churches from taking on parishoners until they pass a certain reading comprehension level and actually force them to read the Bible/Torah/Koran and demonstrate understanding of the material, including the horrifying bits, before actually declaring themselves a member of that religion.
You know, just to see what happens.
or could it be the "something for nothing" culture developed by the media etc, and big business and money, where application doesn't pay but greed and/or luck does.
We live in a society where largely air-headed celebs are feted, and big money financiers courted, and little people pay. So the "leaders" of our society demonstrate the needlessness of community values, which are adopted by parents and families, not schools
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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