Reduction of rape? Not bloody likely, considering all the "it's never the woman's fault" rhetoric thrown around all the date-rape shit I've been forced to attend as an 18-year old male. The best way to reduce rape is for women not to go out with the intention of getting hammered, and not to tease the single most poweful desire in impaired males. However ethically nice it may seem to create a sacrosanct right to get smashed and play with men's desires, it's doing a generation of young girls a disservice to tell them that such behaviors shouldn't increase their risk of getting raped, because they do increase the risk. When self-righteous women's rights rhetoric turns into bad advice, that's when it pisses me off.
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In other words, Chupacabra doesn't like the idea of responsibility, and thinks that other people should go out of their way and avoid having a good time so that he won't have to bother having any self-control.
There appear to be some errors in the post. I've corrected them below.
If he could approach this subject with a litle less anger, he could actually make a good point.
Papabear,
You were forced to commit date rape? Aside from pedantic sentence deconstruction, this is just your average blame-the-victim dreck. I think I think I see a good implication that ElChupacabra got rejected one too many times at a bar in there too, though... Understandable, though - when even totally smashed women reject you, your ego aint gonna last long! Time to start projecting.
Only way someone would be FORCED to rape a girl involves being forced to do so at gunpoint by a 3rd party. Girls that tease too much might be complete bitches for it, but that still doesn't force anyone to rape them.
such an angry bunch here...
I think the responsiblity flips both ways. Of course the woman carries no blame on her self for being raped, and there in absolutley no exuse for a man to rape anyone else. but we live in a scary scary world, women don't need to police themselves any more than men do, but, maybe some precautions are in order. who knowingly walks into a mine field with no mine detector? i see why this post makes some people angry, but i think it's just becuase this little asshole didn't take the time to come up with a lucid response before typing all his angsty thoughts down.
<<< it's doing a generation of young girls a disservice to tell them that such behaviors shouldn't increase their risk of getting raped, because they do increase the risk. >>>
Ice:
I'm so sick of the arguement that a male can't control their own urges just because they're put into a position where they could, theoretically, act upon them. Listen up, ElChupacabra...most males have ZERO problems not raping everyone they come across, no matter how those people may be dressed or act. Sounds like you're just pissed that you don't have a free pass to rape whoever you want and get away with it.
Aye, a vast majority are men. what do you think future rapists would learn in a rape prevention program? unless there is a solid "power lust control program" I think maybe the only kind of education for males that would cut down on the problem would include data on the percentage of felonies and B.A.C. Its not like the rapists were unaware of the wrongness or illegality of the crime. more likely they get off on it.
Ooooh, my single most powerful desire is taking over. Oh no, no, please ma'am, don't take this the wrong way! Why, oh why, did you have to play with my desires? Now I'm going to have to cut you up and place you in the freezer.
It is odd that there is so much 'date-rape shit' he's been forced to attend. Even WITH that he's still angry and making up excuses for rapists.
I gather that this guy is referring not to power-trip rape, but to date rape. I think he is frustrated by what he sees as a one-sided, oversimplified societal setup whereby women are all treated as sweet, innocent victims first and only secondarily as probable consenting adults who know what they're doing, while all men are treated as potential rapists first and consenting adults second. This position treats women as being asexual or at least "chaste" in all circumstances -- which is far from the case in reality.
Actually Shep --- That's exactly what your brother Ham did to Noah causing him to be exiled from God and form all the evil races on Earth like the Hittites, Amelekites, etc. That was one of the reasons why God wanted all the other races destroyed. Later it just became a shameless land grab!
Oh and if there was any confusion in #53611, that wasn't implying it's ever OK to sleep with a girl saying no - you walk away leaving her gagging for it until she learns to take responsibility for herself and be assertive enough to say yes. (and frankly sometimes walking away is still the best course of action)
Well he does actually have half a point, but he's too extreme.
@Seomah
Walking in the streets greatly increases the risk of being hit by a car. Should we all stay at home?
Sorry man, you're implying three wrong assertions.
Confused?
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