Mandatory paternal leave? In other words, it's somehow your employers’ responsibility to provide for your family for six months, while paying other employees to do Mom's and Dad's work, so you don't have to make hard choices. Well, YOU had the kids, not your employers. YOU need to make the choices for your family, not government. If Mom and Dad are both going "stay-at-home" for 6 months, they had better save up at least 6 months’ worth of funds. Who chose to have the kid(s), your employers? What if you have several kids close together - my two are 13 months apart? Employers need to pay for absentee employees who are gone for half a year at a time, once a year, in that case. Should Mom and Dad be given automatic promotions for time away, so they don't lose out on the career end, which accounts for the pay gap? Is any of this FAIR and EQUAL? I could point out more flaws, but I don't think you'll hear me. Men and women are DIFFERENT. We have different roles. We have different responsibilities. And if you want to confuse the two, have the decency to ante up your own funds! Here's a shocker: learning domestic skills and money management has nothing to do with mandatory leave for parents. Countless women of past generations had their kids and then entered the workforce and had satisfying careers. Neither feminists nor your mother invented this. I wish all you JULIAs (Obama video) would stop your crusade to "liberate" me. I'm exhausted and distracted because of people like you, JULIA. I don’t have the ability to think about what I want to do, because I’m so busy paying for the clever schemes of the JULIAs in this country!
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You know, the only countries on this entire earth that do not provide paid maternity leave are Liberia, Papua New Guinea, Swaziland, and the United States. Really? You want to be in the group of tiny poor countries instead of the everyone else group?
What if you have several kids close together - my two are 13 months apart? Employers need to pay for absentee employees who are gone for half a year at a time, once a year...
Not an issue as the rules state you must have worked for a certain amount of time since the last one before you are eligible again. Use protection and it is not an issue.
You fail economics. Society as a whole benefits when people that are capable of rearing children are given the incentive to have them.
Last thing society needs is to discourage hardworking people to not breed. Do note that the future in Idiocracy is not a utopia.
This is not even from a humanitarian perspective and it STILL makes sense than your BS.
Wow this is badly taken out of context!replying to a darndest thing. She's ridiculing a crazy proposal to enforce sexual equality by compelling males to take six months leave on the birth of their children.
@ Robespierre.Do these people really think that anybody would have one more child just to be eligible for benefits? What kind of person even thinks that?
And yet when natural born citizens have less and less children and a demographic crisis looms, kept in check only by immigration, these people are all: "noooo, scary aliens being here makes us uncomfortable!". Well, ladies and gentlemen, unless you decide to give social benefits to couples with children, you up shit creek without a paddle. Unless you, somehow, manage to overcome deep seated fears you spent years raising.
Part of the parental leave is for the woman to rest up after the delivery. Part of the parental leave is also to connect with your child, which both mothers AND fathers need to do. Taking care of an infant is also a full time job (and I mean FULL time: 24/7) so you need a bit of "shift change" once in a while.
Men and women are DIFFERENT, yes; some men are very nurturing, and love to be home with their child, some women only have kids because it's "expected" of them, and they couldn't care less about the kid.
Sweden has, I think, a 12 months' parental leave per child, which the parents can divide up almost how they want. They each have one or two months that are only theirs, the remaining 10 they decide about however they please. (I can't have kids, so I'm not up to date on the regulations.) Men take out 24 percent of the parental leaves, women 76 percent. This is financed with taxes, the employers don't pay the leave wages.
"I could point out more flaws, but I don't think you'll hear me."
Because the flaw you already pointed out is a load of crap.
@do you read your own previous posts?
Sarcasm is a bad way of trying to change people's opinions. If I was actually trying to argue for parental leave then I wouldn't use it. The comment section on FSTDT isn't really going to change the OPs opinion. I was just adding in my two cents.
I thought being a mother was a sacred duty and having babies is what makes society run. You can't demand that women stay at home and have babies and then bitch about needing to pay for them. Besides, that money you are so keen on hoarding? It's meaningless and arbitrary and its only value comes from the fact that we live in a first world nation with good credit (something the Tea Party is trying to change). If you don't want to live in a first world nation and pay the price for the luxuries and opportunities it gives you access to then feel free to go to Somalia. There are no troublesome government regulations or civil services there!
@words are supposed to mean things
Not fundie, just conservative.
Not conservative either, just reactionary. We don't have a "right wingers say the darnedest things" section and this clearly isn't racist or conspiracy so this is the only place for it.
What ever happened to the good ol' days when you could just fire the bitch for getting knocked up?
@ Robespierre:
Do these people really think that anybody would have one more child just to be eligible for benefits? What kind of person even thinks that?
I've heard plenty of conservatives claim that people on welfare just keep having more kids in order to get more welfare money. They're not entirely off the mark, because the FLDS church encourages its members to have as many children as possible with their many wives and then apply for as many benefits as they can get in order to "bleed the beast."
"Mandatory paternal leave? In other words, it's somehow your employers’ responsibility to provide for your family for six months"
Yes. And unless you're one of said employers, Problem?
I.e., what the fuck has this matter got to do with you ?!
PROTIP: 'Pro-Lifer '-s, especially men: if you're not the individual woman concerned, what the fuck has abortion got to do with YOU ?
Priorities, o Teabaggers, priorities.
@NoHopeLost:
Ignore the troll. They like to show up & make a bunch of laughably false claims about our beliefs, motives, and actual thoughts, and occasionally start a childish argument with one of the commenters.
"do you even read your previous posts" is too much of a coward to even use a regular handle, and too much of a child to bother having actual mature debates.
In what utopian nanny-state has 6 months of paid paternal leave even been suggested?
Oh, I get it, you're confusing "pater" (father) with "parent."
Paid parental leave ought to be one of the rallying cries of all kinds of people, but our society has its head up its butt so far and only sees me me me so badly that people can't see our willingness to let our employers be the only ones with rights is killing the whole society. You are a HUMAN first, not an employee. That means not just paying a lot of lip service to the importance of kids and making raising them a low-status job, it means putting your money where your mouth is on valuing them.
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