Adam and Eve in the Bible were real people and their descendants today make up 20% of Europe.
Of course that means that 80% of Europeans are NOT decended from the Bible Adam and Eve. But they were decended from the out of Africa Adam and Eve. [...]
Of course science wants to try to confuse the issue to hide that the Bible is true and that the DNA evidence shows that the Bible is true.
The Adam and Eve in the Bible were the first of a lot of different things. This is the beginning of civilization, of written history just to name a few. The Bible talks about precious metals like God and Silver. That takes us out of the stone age to be sure.
The Bible talks about farming, and that is what the neolithic revolution is all about is the beginning of farming. There is no question that the Bible as written history gives us a valuable record of some of the things that were going on in the world at that time.
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Just because someone writes a story about how he thinks things went doesn't make it true. Dig up some ancient farming tools and link it to 2 skeletons. Call the skeletons Adam and Eve and that's about as close to biblical truth you'll ever get.
So if we believe the Bible, and Adam and Eve were the first and only people...
For John R7, whatever any scientist says that even uses a biblical metaphor is counted as "scientific proof" of the Bible's accuracy and truth -- even when the so-called "scientific proof" as he sees it makes no freaking sense when trying to apply it as such.
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That takes us out of the stone age to be sure.
But you just said mankind started in the garden of eden, how...what...shit you are stupid.
Ahhh, JohnR7. You sound a bit more coherent then usual but you are still insane. Even if the GoE were true, the rest of what you say makes not a whit of sense.
And the same thing I ask all the fundies I talke to; what makes you think that scientists would lie to the whole world? Do you honestly believe that millions of scientists from a million different backgrounds over the course of hundreds of years have all stuck together and concealed 'true' facts about the bible? Why? How? That is a conspiracy on such as scale as to be almost unimaginable.
African adam and eve? WTF? There was another set or are you talking of the third of mankind who were given the mark of cain? 33% and 80% aren't even close. Of course, neither is your location to reality.
He's back and he's still and idiot!
Tempus: Holy cow, Tempus, that's such a collossal amount of irony, it could be stripmined.
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Despite the fact that Mitochondrial Eve and Y-Chromosome Adam lived several hundred thousand years apart. I guess higher oxygen concentration in the air allowed them to live that long. dad pointed out.
Only 20% of all humans are descended from Adam and Eve?
Because 80% percent of Europe is made up of aliens from the planet Zog disguised as humans.
Hey, I was born in Europe! Maybe I'm a Zog!
The Bible is well within the Bronze Age you stupid fundie.
This guy just takes every advancement of man and claims some cherry-picked obscure Bible verse was the first to speak of it. So wrong. Writtings that preceed the Bible are actually documentations of accumulated knowledge.
Is this the guy who thinks the Calender proves Jesus because Pope Gregory altered the Julian calender?
Another fine babbling gem of ignorance from Johnny. Firstly, science shows a matrilineal mitochondrial line as the *OLDEST KNOWN SURVIVING* line. And it's not European, either. It's African. Not the "origin" or "only", but oldest known surviving. IE: The oldest bloodline not wiped out by war, or famine, or any other cause. Science thinks your idea of one man and one woman to be completely bat-shit. Franklin and Soule's study on genetic diversity fairly clearly demonstrated that in sexual reproduction, the minimum necessary population for genetic stability (IE: Not dying of compounded inbreeding within a few generations) is 50, and for long-term genetic stability, 500. Want an example? Cheetahs at some point in time suffered a severe bottleneck in their population, leading to inbreeding complications that still surface regularly, even today as a very high rate of congenital defects.
Secondly, two Adam and Eves? Does not compute. That doesn't even Biblically compute. Neolithic revolution? You idiot. That predates the Bible by more than a few millennia. If you're using gold and silver in the Bible as a citation for era, perhaps you should look at references to brass, or to the khopesh, a sword used in Egypt and the middle east, frequently forged from bronze, in the early first millenium BC. Written history? Delve into China, or the Indus valley and you will find that it predates the Bible's oldest chapters by over a thousand years.
Fucking. Idiot.
Do your damn research before you spit tripe like this.
Assuming that JohnR7 wasn't just simply making up numbers, I tried to think why he'd believe that only 20% of Europeans were descendants of Adam and Eve (ignoring the obvious biblical response).
The best I could come up with was that it's been shown that about a fifth of the DNA (within the full span of homo sapiens DNA, of course) of people of Western European lineage suggests a strong African-Middle Eastern influence. Of course we're all African originally, but this 20% of later (let's call it post Out-Of-Africa) influence can likely be put down to Phoenician/Carthaginian, Roman era and Moorish sources. Basically, people like to move around and shag each other.
That said, it's just a guess on my part. More likely JohnRthicko is completely off his rocker.
EDIT: Clarity added. I can't type properly this evening.
"The Bible talks about farming"
'Farmers'*, eh? Well you always talk a load of arsegrapes, JohnArse ven (whose IQ is -7)
*- Cockney Rhyming Slang for Haemhorroids: Farmer Giles, Nautical Miles, Metric Miles, Sarah Miles, Chalfont St. Giles = Piles.
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